tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27590829449776282312024-03-13T19:48:03.377-07:00Leftist, Feminist, Atheist, Pro-Life, Rocker ChickThere is nothing more leftist than being pro-life.Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-39660430631283744522024-01-31T06:03:00.000-08:002024-02-13T16:38:42.211-08:00Atheist Answers to Religious Arguments<p><b>1.) Pascal's Wager: "If you're wrong, you'll go to hell. If I'm wrong, nothing will happen."<br /><br /></b>That's not how beliefs work. I genuinely don't think there's a god. I can't just pretend I do just in case something bad would happen to me otherwise. That would be lying, and if there was a god that existed in the way you describe, they would be able to tell that I was lying so it wouldn't make sense to go through the motions when I didn't actually believe. Also, many religions that contradict each other could use this argument. If you picked the wrong religion, by the logic of this argument, you wouldn't be any better off than Atheists.</p><p>If I'm wrong, nothing will happen because no god would ever punish someone for not being convinced of their existence. Even if there was a god like that, they would be an unethical god and should never be worshipped. It's not ok to punish someone for not believing in you and reward someone simply for believing in you. If you're wrong however, you've just spent your life being manipulated by an abusive and oppressive power structure instead of figuring out who you really are and what you would really believe in had you not been told so many lies. You may have wasted lots of time and money giving to the church and reading your religion's holy book or listening to preachers, or even going on missions to try to convert others. You may have spent lots of time feeling guilt because of the things your religion teaches you and stress from that guilt. If you're right, you've gained nothing because no god would ever reward someone simply for believing in them.<br /><br /><br /><b>2.) "You're going to hell and it's all your fault for not choosing god."</b></p><p>Beliefs aren't things that you can choose. You can learn and become more educated and potentially change your beliefs with time, but you can't choose them like choosing a type of candy. Either you believe in something or you don't. I can't believe in a god no matter how hard I try because I'm genuinely convinced they don't exist. If they did exist and wanted to punish me for not being convinced of their existence, I would question why you worship such an unethical god that they would do something so horrible.<br /><br /><br /><b>3.) "If you don't believe in heaven or hell, what do you think happens when we die?"</b></p><p>I think when we die, it's the same as before we are alive...as in, we don't exist anymore. And I think that makes this one life we have that much more precious and something to be cherished instead of taken for granted. I want to do as much good as I can in the short time I have.<br /><br /><br /><b>4.) "If you don't think a god created us with a specific purpose, what do you think the point of life is?"</b></p><p>I think the point of life is to live it, to cherish it, and to do as much good that we can while we're here. To connect with our loved ones, engage in our hobbies and things that give us joy, watch younger generations grow up and gain independent lives, teach others what we know and learn from others too, and to keep growing as people. To form communities where we serve others and are served by others so that we can all survive and thrive. There doesn't have to be a specific being creating us with a specific purpose in life in order for us to live life to its fullest. We may not know all the answers but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy life and be good to each other.<br /><br /><br /><b>5.) Intelligent Design/Complexity and "Because the world is so beautiful"</b></p><p>Intelligence, complexity, and beauty are in the eye of the beholder. They are opinions. Just because something seems intelligent or beautiful to you, doesn't mean it is. We all have things we view as incredibly beautiful, awe inspiring, or intelligent, but there are points where we disagree too. Even if we assume it is, just because something is intelligent or beautiful doesn't mean a god created it. Intelligence and beauty were created and changed with evolution. The world used to not even have the things many of us find intelligent or beautiful on it, such as plants and animals, including us. <br /><br />Also, many of the things religious people assume are perfect and complex actually have many many flaws, such as the human body having very vulnerable important parts like the testicles exposed and easily able to be harmed. That is not an intelligent design at all. And even if we assume a god created something, that doesn't mean the god *you* believe in created it, as opposed to the thousands of gods humans have believed in that you don't believe in.<br /><br /><br /><b>6.) "There has to be a higher power/something bigger than us"</b></p><p>This doesn't have to be a god. I think the universe is that for us. There's so much going on all around our planet, and I think that's amazing. So many solar systems we haven't even begun to explore and so much expansion. Even our own ecosystem and animal kingdom are vast and amazing. Knowing that life started so many years before our species started existing is humbling. There is more to life than just us.<br /><br /><br /><b>7.) God of the gaps: "I can't imagine it could have been anything else but a god, so it must have been a god."<br /><br /></b>It's better to admit that you don't know something than to assume the answer. There is a lot of awe and wonder in being curious and looking for the answer. It helps no one to pretend you already know when you don't and stop that curiosity. Just because you can't imagine what else could have created the universe but a god does not mean that a god created the universe. You just have to keep wondering and be ok with not knowing. <br /><br /><br /><b>8.) "Everything needs a creator/the fact that we exist and everything around us exists is evidence of a god"<br /><br /></b>Atheists aren't saying a creator didn't create the universe, we're saying there's no evidence for a creator being a *being*. A creator could be anything, including events, such as the Big Bang or a potential event that created the Big Bang. Likewise, a creator of humans and other animals could be biological processes, such as evolution.<br /><br /><br /><b>9.) "You just believe everything came from nothing."<br /><br /></b>No, and in fact that always sounded like what religious people believe to me (the idea that a god created everything out of nothing and/or was created out of nothing themselves). Atheists generally believe that there was something that created the universe but we don't exactly know what. That the big bang most likely created the expanse of the universe but we don't know for sure what came before the big bang or why this happened. <br /><br />To sum it up, the big bang is when matter and energy were condensed a lot and then started expanding out at a rapid pace, called cosmic inflation. Some hypotheses are that some universes give way to other universes, or that universes constantly collapse and then expand again. The great thing about science is that we are forever learning and piecing things together with new information. I encourage everyone who is curious to delve into the subjects of the big bang, cosmic inflation, and scientific ideas about what created the universe, as well as how evolution works.<br /><br /><br /><b>10.) "A god has to exist because it's outside of this realm/science"<br /><br /></b>That's just a shystery car salesman technique used to manipulate people into things. You could say that about anything, including other gods you don't believe in. For example, "Thor is real, and you can't say he isn't because he exists outside of the laws of science!" It also doesn't make sense to assume that someone can create things outside of the laws they work in. You couldn't create something that didn't abide by the laws of science, nor could you not abide by the laws of science yourself while having created something that did, for example.<br /><br /><br /><b>11.) "If god doesn't exist, objective morality doesn't exist."<br /><br /></b>That's not true. Objective morality comes from having empathy, a conscience, and the ability to reason, which come from the brain and evolution. For example, you could say what is unethical is unethical even if someone claims it's not because empathy allows us to step inside of someone's shoes and know that we wouldn't want something to happen to us and therefore we shouldn't do it to others. The person who claims it is not unethical just isn't practicing empathy in that moment. <br /><br />Also, a god can change their mind as they wish or be said to believe different things depending on the religion. Different gods can say different things about what is or isn't moral. So if you're following what a god says about morality, it is entirely subjective to a god's will. If a god were real and told people different things at different times, the morals would change, but that's not objectivity. If the bible had been written to say that homophobia is a sin, the same christians who are homophobic now would have been raised to believe that homophobia is immoral.<br /><br /><br /><b>12.) "You don't have any morals."<br /><br /></b>Yes we do. Atheists have a tendency to care about morals a lot. Also, the morals from the Bible came from the morals of the communities that were around at the time, and are basic morals that the average person believes in. For instance, we too believe in "thou shall not kill" and "love thy neighbor." Also, this argument is counter-intuitive to the stereotype that Atheists are just a bunch of "woke people", given that "woke people" are known to care about morals a lot.<br /><br /><br /><b>13.) "If you don't believe in a god, why don't you go around raping and killing everyone?" and "Where do your morals come from?"</b><br /><br />Because morals don't come from doing something because someone else told you to. They come from empathy/having a conscience/the ability to reason. I have zero desire to go around raping or killing anyone. I don't need a god, religion, or prophet to tell me what to do or to tell me that these things are wrong. I am perfectly capable of understanding that all on my own. <br /><br />Also, it scares Atheists for you to imply that the only thing stopping you from raping and killing us is a belief in a god. You too should have the ability to understand why those things are wrong outside of a god. You should have the ability to understand that if your god, prophet, religion, or holy text said that you should go around raping and killing everyone, that would be wrong and you shouldn't do those things. But hopefully you do and haven't just thought it through. It's not morality if you do good things to get rewarded and avoid bad things to avoid being punished. Morality is about doing good things because they are good and you want to help others, and avoiding bad things because they are bad and you don't want to hurt others.<br /><br /><br /><b>14.) "You just want to sin"<br /><br /></b>No. I don't believe sinning is a thing, and I don't want to do many of the things you call sins. I believe in being an ethical person. You can want to sin and believe in a god, and not want to do bad things and not believe in a god. Also, this is counter-intuitive to the idea that everyone is a sinner. Christians and other religious folks do what you call "sinning" all the time, so why say this only about Atheists not believing in a god?<br /><br /><br /><b>15.) "You just hate god."<br /><br /></b>No. I don't believe in any god. It makes no sense to assume that people just hate a character they don't believe in because you're that afraid of admitting that not everyone is convinced of their existence. I get that it's hard to be so used to the idea of a god that you can't fathom someone genuinely not believing in them, but it's true, we genuinely don't believe in your god for the same reasons you genuinely don't believe in the thousands of other gods that people have believed in.<br /><br /><br /><b>16.) "It says so in the bible"<br /><br /></b>Assuming that things written in a book are automatically true simply because it says so in the book is circular logic and makes no sense. Especially if you try to use some historical events that happen to be written down in said book for justification as to why everything in the book is true when it's clear that the authors were just adding in things they were experiencing or knew about and used them as inspiration to create fantastical stories like all storybook writers do. This would be like assuming that The Hunger Games is true because it's all written down in The Hunger Games, and then looking at current societal collapse to say that that's evidence that we should abide by everything else in it.<br /><br /><br /><b>17.) "You just have to read the bible in context."<br /><br /></b>No one can ever agree on what the context is or what the bible is really trying to say. I've watched christians constantly disagree with each other on what the bible is saying for years. There are many, many contradictions in the bible. You can see some of them here: <a href="https://www.lyingforjesus.org/Bible-Contradictions/">https://www.lyingforjesus.org/Bible-Contradictions/</a> If it takes this much work to understand a piece of writing, it's not worth it to read or take seriously. Not to mention that the bible was written by humans hundreds of years after the things in it supposedly went down and retranslated over and over again. Naturally, a lot would have been lost in translation, which means it shouldn't be taken seriously. At most it should be viewed as a book of stories, not something to live by.<br /><br /><br /><b>18.) "Well if you really don't believe in hell or a god or the bible, why do you talk about these things/why do you care if I say you'll burn in hell?"<br /><br /></b>Because I genuinely believe that these things are used to dominate and control people, and as you folks say, I think you deserve to be saved. Just because I don't believe there's even a hell for me to go to doesn't mean I think it's fine to sit back and watch children get threatened with hell so that they will do what people say, or that it's fine if vulnerable people are told that the way to save themselves is to buy into what a religion is selling. I think being a good person means speaking out on what we see as wrong. I see coercing people into religion as wrong.<br /><br /><br /><b>19.) "If people feel comforted by the idea of a god and need religion to get by in life when things are hard, what's the harm in that?"<br /><br /></b>I think there are healthier ways to do that. The reason religion is called "the opium of the people" is because it is something that spreads like an addiction when people are down and is used to numb people. I think religion preys on the vulnerable by using people's hard life circumstances (such as addiction, homelessness, prison sentences, breakups, grief, trauma etc. or even just being young and naive) to convince them that things that aren't true actually are, because that's how religion survives. Without this method of coercion, religion could never exist in the modern age.<br /><br />Because of that, it is an oppressive power structure. This is why every religious conversion story starts with someone talking about how hard their life was but then they found christ/religion. I believe these people deserve better than to be used by the religious hierarchy as tools to spread what they are trying to sell to the masses. No one deserves to be exploited like that. It's also a band-aid solution that doesn't get to the root of their problems. Often they need actual therapy, not religion.<br /><b><br /><br />20.) "I had a religious experience/witnessed a miracle/witnessed something paranormal"<br /><br /></b>When it comes to feeling a sense of awe in a moment and thinking of it as a religious experience, that doesn't mean that there is a god. It is part of being a human and an animal to have moments of stillness or a sense of mind-blowing awe or comfort. People tend to experience this when listening to music, because music is good at healing and making people feel great in the moment. This is why people at christian music concerts may think they feel a god's presence. It's just how the human brain reacts to music. The same goes for worship services. Sometimes it's people looking for answers, not knowing what the answers are but being tired of searching, and settling for the idea of a god and feeling good about it because of the ease of thinking you found an answer.<br /><br />There are lots of coincidences that have happened in the world. For instance, someone may have become conscious after falling unconscious and an EMT did chest compressions on them, even after someone said "Please God save them". Someone may have been held up at gunpoint and then the person got startled by something and ran away. Good things happening, and things that happen coincidentally, are not evidence of a god.<br /><br />A lot of times the brain plays tricks on us. We think we hear things or see things that aren't there, or mishear things and our brains fill in the gaps. There are also times where technology is turned on or off by electricity spurts. There are sound waves that can sound eerie. There are also times where we hallucinate because we are tired, dehydrated, hungry, on medication, or stressed out. None of these things mean there is anything paranormal happening.<br /><br />There are times where people's consciences and gut feelings tell them to do something, and they attribute that to a god. One may feel like their partner cheated on them because they acted nervous and suspicious, and they may say "God told me something was wrong, so I dug deeper and found evidence he was cheating." This doesn't mean there is a god. This is another basic human feeling. <br /><br /><br /><b>21.) "Religious people are trying to proselytize to you to save you because we genuinely believe your soul is in danger/you are going to hell"</b><br /><br />The same goes for Atheists, in a sense. We genuinely believe you are being harmed by religion and need to be saved from it. We believe it is an exploitative industry that is using you as a pawn to gain money and gain cult followers to blindly do what it says. The difference is that there is a huge double standard here, because there is a lot more hatred toward Atheists, to the point where we essentially aren't allowed to proselytize to people.<br /><br />If we try to save you, we will get stopped at best and hate crimed at worst. We could be killed for it, lose our jobs for it, go to jail for it in certain countries etc. In fact a lot of Atheists feel like they have to be closeted because it is unsafe to be an out Atheist. So if you believe it is ok for a religious person to proselytize on the basis that they are trying to genuinely save our souls, you should be equally ok with Atheists trying to proselytize to religious people because we are genuinely trying to save you from being harmed by religion.<br /><br /><br /><b>22.) "If evolution is true, why are there still monkeys?"/"Evolution can't be true because my mother wasn't a monkey."</b><br /><br />Evolution isn't saying that your mother was a monkey or that we came from monkeys. It's saying that several hundred thousand years ago (or tens of thousands of generations ago), there was another species that was very similar to our own that essentially birthed ours, so to speak. And that several hundred thousand years before that, there was another similar species that birthed them. And so on down the line. And that we didn't come from monkeys, but rather we came from a species that monkeys also came from. That species doesn't exist anymore.<br /><br />You also don't have to believe in a god just because you have skepticism about evolution. It's perfectly healthy to question things, even evolution. But it is important to learn about things like evolution so that you can actually know what they are saying before you throw the whole concept out. There is a lot of misunderstanding about what evolution is. Evolution works by way of lots of genetic abnormalities packing on top of each other over time. <br /><br />When sex cells reproduce to create the next generation, sometimes there is a mistake, called a mutation, when creating the genetic code. This leads to the child having a different fur color, or eye color, or length or number of limbs etc. If this genetic mutation proves to be advantageous, (as in, if it helps the kid adapt to their environment so that they can continue to live and reproduce) or even if they just happen to make it to the point where they can reproduce anyway, they can pass those genes on. Over time, the genetic mutations that are advantageous spread throughout the population, and different genetic mutations that are now in the DNA of modern generations compile with each other to the point where they are no longer the same species as those who came well before them thousands to millions of years prior. I think the modern version of the TV show Cosmos does a great job at explaining this, which you can see here: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5lTZ0bfqqI">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5lTZ0bfqqI</a><br /><br /><br /><b>23.) "You must be a grumpy crotchety person who hates life and is miserable and had trauma in your childhood and that's why you're Atheist. Or you're trying to rebel."</b><br /><br />That's not true. It's just a weird stereotype religious people made up to try to scare people out of questioning religion. I'm only an Atheist because there's no evidence for a god. That's it. If there was any actual evidence for a god, I would believe in said god. Everything religious folks have told me in regards to what they think is evidence has remained totally unconvincing to me. And I don't lack happiness and joy just because I'm Atheist. There are lots of amazing things in this world. Lots of things inspire me and give me joy, Atheism included.<br /><br /><br /><b>24.) "You must not believe in anything."<br /></b><br />That's also not true. I believe in love, compassion, humanity, friendship, nature and music to uplift your spirit, and many other things. I also have various political beliefs, as we all do. I also believe it's good to learn about things, like science, history, math etc. and I believe having hobbies is good for one's sense of identity. I just don't believe in a god. <br /><br /><br /><b>25.) "You must not have truly been religious."</b><br /><br />*I* personally do say that I was never religious despite not being raised as an Atheist because by the time I was old enough to understand the concepts of religion and gods, I realized I didn't think any of it was real and came out as an Atheist. But there are lots of Atheists who were genuinely religious, just as much as you. In fact most of them were. We're talking people who read the holy book, went to church regularly, prayed, worshipped the gods and prophets and believed the stories were real etc. In fact, lots of Atheists were once religious clergy. The Clergy Project is a wonderful organization that helps closeted Atheists transition out of being religious leaders. Lots of them feel like they have to keep going in that work even though they don't believe in a god because it's all they've ever known so they don't know how else to put food on the table for themselves and their families. Who knows, your place of worship might have leaders in it that are secretly Atheist.<br /><br /><br /><b>26.) "You must worship satan!"</b><br /><br />I don't. I don't believe in satan. I don't think there's any sort of antagonist to a god just like I don't think there is any sort of god. I don't think any of those characters are real.<br /><br /><br /><b>27.) "Well you can't prove god doesn't exist."</b><br /><br />Think of all the reasons you don't believe in any of the other thousands of gods people have believed in. What are your reasons for not believing in them? Those are my reasons for not believing in the god you happen to believe in. What would your response be if someone told you "Well you can't prove this god doesn't exist" in reference to those gods? There's your answer. I don't think it makes sense to believe in a god just because someone else thinks they can't be disproven. That would have to be applied to everything and I think most people would quickly see how bad of an argument it is if it were taken to its logical conclusion. I also don't believe they can't be disproven anyway. We can disprove characters and concepts with science, logic, and reason.<br /><br /><br /><b>28.) "You just have to have faith/let god into your heart"</b><br /><br />I believe the question of how the universe was created is far too important of a question to leave up to the concept of faith or blind acceptance. I think it's something that needs factual evidence. In fact, it's a scientific question, that requires the scientific method in order to answer. I think it's important to think critically, especially about things that make huge claims like that.<br /><br /><br /><b>29.) "Atheism is a religion."</b><br /><br />No, Atheism is the lack of a belief in a god. It has no other qualities. It doesn't have anything else to it. It's not a grouping of rules. It's the lack of religion. It's the inverse of religion. Calling it a religion would be like calling not liking politics a political party. And if you really thought it was a religion, why are you more against it than all of the actual religions?<br /><br /><br /><b>30.) "My religion must be true because I have a strong testimony."</b><br /><br />So do I about Atheism, and so does everyone else in the various other religions about their religion. There are lots of people who are equally as convinced that their religion is true as you are that yours is true. You being sure of something doesn't mean it's true.<br /><br /><br /><b>31.) "Without religion, how can you have a sense of community?"</b><br /><br />You don't need religion for community. Volunteering is a great way to have a sense of community, because you're directly helping the community and often getting to connect with the community members you are helping, plus connecting with community members who are volunteering with you. Doing hobbies with like-minded individuals is another way to have community. There are lots of hobbies that can be done with people, such as outdoorsy things like hiking or canoeing, going to concerts or playing in a band, taking pottery or cooking classes etc. You can even form meetup groups specifically to make sure you are able to have a group to do these things with. <br /><br />Having get-togethers with your neighbors is another way to have community, such as having block parties, BBQs, or even just making an effort to check in with each other and/or hang out every week. You can also live with a bunch of roommates, or join community housing projects. Some of them are set up as a big house with lots of people living there, and others are a bunch of houses built with community in mind where they all share land and community gardens and hang out in a common building in the center. There are also Atheist churches in certain areas, where community members get together to discuss different topics, enjoy refreshments, and connect with each other.<br /><br /><br /><br />Tips: An easy way to understand if your religious argument is bad or not is to picture someone else who believes in a different god/religion asking you the same thing about their god/religion. If that argument wouldn't cause you to switch to believing in their god/religion, then you should consider throwing the argument out. <br /><br />Another good thought process is to ask yourself these questions:<br />*"If I had never heard of the concepts of religion or god until now, would I believe in them?" <br />*"If so, would I believe in the exact same god and religion that I currently believe in, or different ones?"<br />*"If my parents had raised me in a different religion, would I believe in that religion now, or would I reject that family religion in favor of the one I currently believe in?"<br />*"If no one had created my religion yet, would I create it, and exactly as it is now?"<br />*"If no one on earth was religious, would I be?"<br />These are questions meant to help you figure out if your religion is right for you, or if it's something you're going with because it's culturally easier to believe in it than something else or no religion at all.</p>Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-28716582893815426592023-01-23T19:50:00.001-08:002023-06-07T21:50:04.601-07:00Why Gun Abolishment is needed for the Consistent Life Ethic and for Leftist Values<p>There's a bit of hypocrisy with the CLE and Leftist spaces not talking that much about gun abolition despite support of guns fundamentally clashing with all of the other values. Though there is a rising number of people who are because they are fed up with the amount of mass shootings in the US. But here are some of the reasons gun abolition fits in well with leftistism and the consistent life ethic.</p><p>Guns are the ultimate way to value property over people. When people say they would shoot someone who was trying to take their gun, they are showing that an object means more to them than someone else's life. They are putting the right to life below the right to own property. They are an example of someone who shouldn't own a gun because they think it's ok to kill someone so easily.<br /><br />Thousands of accidental shootings happen in the US each year from guns. This is something that will never be able to go away based on giving people mental health because they were unintentional. It also means that gun control won't work in this area because someone could pass all the checks and still accidentally shoot someone. This happens in many different ways too...adults accidentally shooting kids, kids accidentally shooting adults, guns malfunctioning, cats and dogs accidentally stepping on guns and setting them off etc. Those lives shouldn't be cast aside as necessary casualties because people don't want to give up their guns. </p><p>The Gun Industrial Complex makes a lot of money off of the sales of guns, accessories, hunting licenses etc. There are many different companies who have their hands in the pot when it comes to guns. The NRA is the head of the gun lobby and makes sure that guns remain legal because it's a multi billion dollar industry, bringing in tens of billions of dollars per year.<br /><br />There are a million different ways to defend yourself and the idea that we have no other choice but to use guns to defend ourselves is manipulative and comes from the gun industry saying that because they just want to make money, just like how the abortion industry manipulates people into thinking they need abortion in order to have freedom. It's a capitalistic effort. People defend themselves in many different ways and with many different things on a constant basis and yet the gun lobby makes sure that the concept of self-defense is tied to guns so that people feel like they *need* guns...like they have no other choice but to buy guns or else they'll die. As we have seen with other subjects, industries make people feel like they have no other choice but to do something because it's the easiest way to make sure they do it and help pump billions into the industry.<br /><br />This has resulted in there being over a hundred million more guns than people in the US. "More guns" can never be the answer when there is an excess of guns already. We have too many guns to even use. Because of the capitalist effort of the Gun Industrial Complex convincing more and more people to support guns so that the industry turns a profit, even when it goes against their other values, guns now outnumber the number of people that can use them. We need to go after the manufacturers who are preying on the vulnerable to get them to support guns so that they can turn a profit with their blood money.<br /><br />Due to the capitalistic efforts of the gun lobby and industry, gun culture here in the USA is extreme and that's why so many people support guns here. They wouldn't had they been raised somewhere else, which we have seen by the rest of the world being extremely confused and scared by our gun culture. People are afraid to travel here because of the huge amount of gun support. Gun culture is a systemically oppressive power structure. It's an extreme form of toxic masculinity. It's treated as normal and kids are raised to believe that buying a gun is no big deal. Parents teach their kids how to shoot at young ages so that they think that's just what people do.</p><p>Guns cause a lot of trauma for groups that are most affected by them, such as women and POC and LGBTQIA+ folks. Women and female bodied people are many times more likely to die in domestic violence situations with a gun in the house. POC are more likely to die by the police shooting them than white people are. The answer to the police or the government having guns is not to make it easier for them to have guns, it's to call for disarmament and abolishment. <br /><br />But instead of calling to disarm the police, people call to support more guns. When we are told that we have to use that which oppresses us, we are being oppressed further. It's like telling us that to fight rape, we have to become rapists ourselves. That harms us as well. When you, your friends or family members, or your minority group has been affected by gun violence, it is traumatizing to see people support guns. I love orgs like Gays Against Guns because they help show that minority groups, which are disproportionately victims of gun violence, need to stand up against guns, not support them. The systems that oppress us want us to support guns so that we will continue to be oppressed. It allows easier access for our oppressors to get their hands on guns.</p><p>The second amendment needs to be repealed because it is an unjust law. Just because a law exist doesn't mean it should continue to exist. We know this because Roe v Wade is an unjust law that was repealed for being unjust. There's no good reason to own a gun. Hunting animals is wrong, and there are a million different ways to defend yourself outside of guns. There are even various other objects to use for target practice. They're not needed even if the Gun Industrial Complex tries to manipulate us into believing they are.<br /><br />The idea that banning guns won't stop people from getting guns is no different from the idea that banning abortions won't stop people from getting abortions. We already know that that's a bad argument so we shouldn't be using it with other subjects. Though banning isn't the end all be all. We need a cultural shift. We need each individual being able to have the strength to pull themselves out of the clutches of the lies that the gun lobby has spread and taking a stand against it.<br /><br />When people bring up cars, they don't seem to realize that if the sole purpose of cars was to hurt and kill then yes everyone would support them being banned. And if you can use any household object to kill someone then you can use those same household objects to defend yourself and you don't need a gun. And if people kill people, and the problem is people, then why would you want the problem to have guns? The arguments those who support guns use are hypocritical in terms of how they view other subjects and just bad arguments overall.</p><p>It's hypocritical to support guns while being against the death penalty or assisted suicide. If you think a murderer shouldn't be killed for being a murderer (and I agree) then it makes no sense to say that someone robbing you should be shot to death. If you think people shouldn't be killed in war (and I agree) then it makes no sense to say someone breaking into your home while they think you are away should be shot to death. Guns are also the ultimate way to provide suicide assistance because it's one of the more lethal ways to do it and a hell of a lot more people would kill themselves if they had access to guns. It makes no sense to say you are against euthanasia/assisted suicide, or say phrases like "suicide prevention, not suicide assistance" and then turn around and support putting guns into the hands of people who will later use them to kill themselves.<br /><br />There's nothing about supporting guns that fits in with a culture of life, equity, and social justice. Guns are violence just like abortion, war, the death penalty, animal agriculture, and police brutality. The arguments used to support guns are very similar, if not exactly the same, to the arguments to support of any other form of violence. Guns inherently go against the right to life. For further reading, please check out <a href="https://jacobin.com/2018/02/gun-control-parkland-students-race-police">The Socialist Case for Gun Control</a> by Nivedita Majumdar and <a href="https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/06/what-gun-control-advocates-can-learn-from-the-abolitionists-who-helped-end-slavery.html">What Gun Control Advocates Can Learn From Abolitionists: Slave ownership was once as entrenched in American life as gun ownership.</a> by Manisha Sinha and Rebecca Onion.</p>Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-53100884760096406562022-07-08T21:41:00.004-07:002022-07-08T21:41:56.005-07:00Could videos of abortions happening change people's outlook?<p>Since Roe has been overturned, I've had more moments of wondering how on earth so many people have successfully been manipulated into believing that state sanctioned child genocide and the mass exploitation of women and pregnant people is not that at all but rather "healthcare" "bodily autonomy" "reproductive rights" or "scraping cells out of our bodies." I'm aware of the history of how powerful the abortion industry is and how they have come up with these phrases to control the public, but still, it seems like more people would have realized they were being lied to by this point. </p><p>I've often been in the middle of the "graphic images" debate because on the one hand, I don't want anyone who has miscarried or aborted to feel triggered, and a lot of people seem defensive and enraged when looking at them which makes it seem like they don't do much, but on the other hand, I think everyone should know what it is they are fighting for or against because otherwise you don't have informed consent. Abortion pictures often cause people to say "they're just dolls!" because they have been manipulated by the abortion industry into believing that, but what about videos of abortions happening? It's much harder to claim they are "just dolls" when you're staring at a doctor's eye view of a woman's cervix being opened a little bit with arms and legs being ripped out as the child bleeds to death and the rest of their body is pulled out. Even Live Action's videos of the former abortion Dr. Anthony Levatino describing how abortions happen has changed minds. You can watch the full thing <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFZDhM5Gwhk">here</a>. <br /><br />There's an animal rights activist group called Anonymous for the Voiceless which has what they call "Cube of Truth"s where people stand back to back in a cube and hold tablets or ipads with slaughterhouse footage so that people can see the reality of what it is they are eating. Those in the cube who aren't holding devices are holding signs that say "truth". They have people next to the cube who do outreach and tell people what they are seeing or ask what they think about it to get into a discussion about the subject. I've often thought this might be a good idea for abortion too, because just like if slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegetarian or vegan, if wombs had glass walls, everyone would be pro-life. People support abortion because they know not what it is. So I want to compile videos of abortions happening here. So far I've only found these three, but if you know of any more, please comment. And of course, viewer discretion is advised, so trigger warning for graphic video of abortions happening...</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdDfQeEI24o">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdDfQeEI24o</a><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53S5zO1RgTY">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53S5zO1RgTY</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X8_WEFq15Q">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X8_WEFq15Q</a><br /></p>Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-82398459233678401132021-01-21T22:25:00.001-08:002021-01-21T22:30:31.789-08:00Why it's inconsistent for the Consistent Life Ethic to not support rights to assisted suicide/chosen euthanasia<p>There's an elephant in the room we need to talk about. Because the Consistent Life Ethic started off in Catholicism (though you can believe in it no matter your religious or political identity), it is said to include not allowing people to have a right to assisted suicide/euthanasia. But here's the thing: The right to live and the right to die are the same right. They cannot be separated. They are two sides of the same coin. It's all about letting others control their own lives. For example, no one is against killing because they think the victim should be forced to live, it's because they understand that that is not anyone else's body or life to take. The reason we have empathy for others who are hurt or killed is because someone else decided to force death on them. So I wanted to quickly go through some reasons as to why I see not allowing people to have these basic rights is unethical and inconsistent with life issues.</p><p>Consent is key. Whenever people who are against assisted suicide argue against it, they focus on the people who were forced into it, but what they don't seem to realize is that everyone who supports it agrees with them. Everyone on each side of this issue is in agreement that it is wrong to force, pressure, and coerce people into it, or not give them compassion, support, and other options. Just as everyone is against pedophilia except pedophiles, the only people who support forcing people into it are those who are doing the forcing. People should be given all the love, compassion, support, and knowledge of options possible. But at the end of the day, if nothing is working for them, they should still have their rights.</p><p>It's torture. Assisted suicide is talked about in regards to when terminally ill patients have pain that is so extreme that hospice/palliative care and pain meds won't help them. There is a naivety with thinking, "Well you can just give them pain medication and they'll feel better, so they shouldn't have a right to assisted suicide" when the main point is that it is not possible for relieving pain, whether that be with medication or anything else, to work in 100% of cases. There are many times in which the only way pain meds will stop someone's pain is if they are in high enough doses to be lethal. And the ironic thing is that there are some people who argue against these rights but their argument will end with "it is acceptable to give them pain medication that will treat the pain even if it kills them"...but...that's assisted suicide. So sometimes they do agree with us after all, without realizing it. But anyone who says that someone shouldn't be allowed to utilize assisted suicide, therefore being forced to have to suffer extreme pain and agony as they slowly die instead of getting to choose to die quickly and painlessly, is supporting torture. <br /><br />I don't think anyone except for the most evil unethical people could ever watch someone go through that torture and still say that they should not have a right to quick and painless dying. So my view has always been that those who are against these rights haven't thought about it enough to put themselves in the shoes of others. And when they argue that people shouldn't be forced to help if they don't want to, we again agree. But there are more than enough people who understand that it is literal torture to not allow people to have this right that we wouldn't need those who don't want to contribute, to contribute. </p><p>It's a form of slavery. By that I mean that it treats someone else's body and life as property to be forced to live as others see fit. It takes away someone's rights to their own self, and objectifies them. To get to make your own choices for your own life and how you will live it is the most basic of principles, but those who are against the right to consent to assisted suicide/euthanasia take a stand against this owning of your own life. It is so fundamentally against every other aspect of these people's beliefs that it's truly bizarre. This is something we would expect corrupt rogue military personnel who have caught prisoners of war and want to make them suffer to believe in, not those who believe in a consistent life ethic. To be stuck in a hospital bed in pain because everyone around you thinks that it is necessary for you to not get to choose how you will die can make someone feel hopeless and like a kidnap victim. People have cried out for mercy and their cries aren't listened to because society wants to act like somehow the pain meds they are already being given will help so they should just shut up and give up the will of their lives to others. But these are human beings, not objects.</p><p>It's inherently ableist. Those of us who have disabilities are often treated as second class citizens by those who are against these rights, by them advocating for our agency to be taken away. If your answer to the pain of those with disabilities is to say that we do not get to have the right to assisted suicide/euthanasia, all you're doing is dehumanizing us. It goes hand in hand with the ableist idea that anyone who has suicidal ideation must be "not of sound mind." Which is a really easy way to "other" people and not see us as full humans with our own thoughts and outlooks on life, as if everyone has to have the exact same view of their own life as them or else they are "defective" and shouldn't be listened to. </p><p>The idea that we shouldn't allow *those who consent* to something to have the right to consent to it because *others* are forced/coerced/pressured into it makes no sense. It would mean that we have to illegalize sex because people are often forced into it through rape. Opponents of these equal rights often use the slippery slope fallacy as a way to justify taking away rights to those who *do* consent to it. But we can never take away rights from others just because some are being forced into something. The solution to that is to get to the root problem and fight the forcing of it, not fight the consenting to it. If all of the people who were against others consenting to it spent all the energy they use to make sure no one gets to have that right, fighting to make sure no one is pressured into it instead, it wouldn't be an issue.</p>Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-55622695087611570262019-07-24T20:53:00.004-07:002021-02-20T22:13:03.381-08:00Unconventional Pro-Life Groups<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
Non-Profit Organizations and social media groups for pro-life feminists:<br />
*Feminists for Life:<br />
<a href="http://feministsforlife.com/">http://feministsforlife.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/FeministsForLife">http://www.facebook.com/FeministsForLife</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/FeministsForLife">http://www.youtube.com/user/FeministsForLife</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/Feminists4Life">https://twitter.com/Feminists4Life</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/feministsforlifeofamerica/">https://www.instagram.com/feministsforlifeofamerica/</a><br />
*Feminists for Nonviolent Choices:<br />
<a href="http://www.ffnvc.org/">http://www.ffnvc.org/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ffnvc">https://www.facebook.com/ffnvc</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/ffnvc/">https://www.instagram.com/ffnvc/</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/ffnvc">https://twitter.com/ffnvc</a><br />
*New Wave Feminists:<br />
<a href="http://www.newwavefeminists.com/">http://www.newwavefeminists.com/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/NewWaveFeminists">https://www.facebook.com/NewWaveFeminists</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/newwavefeminists/">https://www.instagram.com/newwavefeminists/</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/NWFproTX">https://twitter.com/NWFproTX</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/nwfaustin">https://www.facebook.com/groups/nwfaustin</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/nwfla/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/nwfla/</a><br />
**Feministas De La Nueva Ola:<br />
<a href="https://feministasdelanuevaola.wordpress.com/">https://feministasdelanuevaola.wordpress.com/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/feministasdelanuevaola">https://www.facebook.com/feministasdelanuevaola</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/206593393397417">https://www.facebook.com/groups/206593393397417</a> (Grupo Feministas de la Nueva Ola)<br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/fnoargentina/">https://www.instagram.com/fnoargentina/</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/FNOArgentina">https://twitter.com/FNOArgentina</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/FNOChile">https://www.facebook.com/FNOChile</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/300769660615120">https://www.facebook.com/groups/300769660615120</a> (Grupo FNO Chile)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/fnoprovida">https://www.facebook.com/fnoprovida</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/FeministasLa">https://twitter.com/FeministasLa</a><br />
*Feminists Choosing Life of New York:<br />
<a href="https://www.fclny.org/">https://www.fclny.org/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/feministschoosinglife">https://www.facebook.com/feministschoosinglife</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/feministschoosinglife/">https://www.instagram.com/feministschoosinglife/</a><br />
*Women's Rights Without Frontiers:<br />
<a href="https://www.womensrightswithoutfrontiers.org/">https://www.womensrightswithoutfrontiers.org/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/Womens-Rights-Without-Frontiers-129533553307/">https://www.facebook.com/Womens-Rights-Without-Frontiers-129533553307/</a><br />
*Pro-Life Feminist film:<br />
<a href="https://www.lifefem.com/">https://www.lifefem.com</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/prolifefeministfilm">https://www.facebook.com/prolifefeministfilm</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/prolifefeministfilm/">https://www.instagram.com/prolifefeministfilm/</a><br />
*Pro-Life Women's Conference:<br />
<a href="http://www.prolifewomen.com/">http://www.prolifewomen.com/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/prolifewomenconference">https://www.facebook.com/prolifewomenconference</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/prolifewomensconference/">https://www.instagram.com/prolifewomensconference/</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/prolifewomencon">https://twitter.com/prolifewomencon</a><br />
*Susan B Anthony List:<br />
<a href="http://www.sba-list.org/">http://www.sba-list.org/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/SusanBAnthonyList">https://www.facebook.com/SusanBAnthonyList</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCweaynfcfOijvB8icPqU3sQ">http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCweaynfcfOijvB8icPqU3sQ</a><br />
Others:<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/RiotGrrrlsForLifeProlife/">https://www.facebook.com/RiotGrrrlsForLifeProlife/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2493095100965127/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/2493095100965127/</a> (Pro-Life Feminists)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/924652894276217">https://www.facebook.com/groups/924652894276217</a> (FEMINISTAS PROVIDA)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/prolifefeminists">https://www.facebook.com/prolifefeminists</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/feministasprovida2018/">https://www.facebook.com/feministasprovida2018/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/stopgendercidenow">https://www.facebook.com/stopgendercidenow</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/DefendGirls">https://www.facebook.com/DefendGirls</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Womens-Initiative-for-Life/124457491046175?hc_location=stream">https://www.facebook.com/pages/Womens-Initiative-for-Life/124457491046175?hc_location=stream</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gargaro.com/fem.html">http://www.gargaro.com/fem.html</a><br />
<a href="http://slv80.tripod.com/">http://slv80.tripod.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.seghea.com/pat/life/lifeindex.html">http://www.seghea.com/pat/life/lifeindex.html</a><br />
<a href="http://feminists4life.livejournal.com/">http://feminists4life.livejournal.com/</a><br />
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Non-Profit Organizations and social media groups for Pro-Life Liberals:<br />
*Democrats for Life of America:<br />
<a href="http://democratsforlife.org/">http://democratsforlife.org/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/Dems4Life">http://www.facebook.com/Dems4Life</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/democratsforlifeofamerica/">https://www.instagram.com/democratsforlifeofamerica/</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/demsforlife">https://twitter.com/demsforlife</a><br />
*Pro-Life Democratic Candidate PAC:<br />
<a href="https://www.prolifedem.org/">https://www.prolifedem.org/</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/ProLifeDem2020">https://twitter.com/ProLifeDem2020</a><br />
*Other:<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/351395925715477/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/351395925715477/</a> (Pro-Life Democrats of Washington State)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Los-Angeles-County-Democrats-for-Life/627867567235914">https://www.facebook.com/pages/Los-Angeles-County-Democrats-for-Life/627867567235914</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/29950754274/?ref=br_rs">https://www.facebook.com/groups/29950754274/?ref=br_rs</a> (Democrats for Life of America, Mid-Atlantic)<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/Democratsf">http://www.youtube.com/user/Democratsf</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/democratsforlife">http://www.youtube.com/user/democratsforlife</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Democrats-for-Life/79768789792">https://www.facebook.com/pages/Democrats-for-Life/79768789792</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/fdfla2">https://www.facebook.com/fdfla2</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/ProLifeDem">https://twitter.com/ProLifeDem</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ProLifeLiberals">https://www.facebook.com/ProLifeLiberals</a><br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Refreshing-Liberal-Pro-Life-Stance/113136238708828?ref=stream">http://www.facebook.com/pages/Refreshing-Liberal-Pro-Life-Stance/113136238708828?ref=stream</a><br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/ProLifeSocialists">http://www.facebook.com/ProLifeSocialists</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/LaborforLife">https://www.facebook.com/LaborforLife</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/Pro-Life-Democrats-126112738018302">https://www.facebook.com/Pro-Life-Democrats-126112738018302</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pro-Life-Democrats-of-Tennessee/141690939183150">https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pro-Life-Democrats-of-Tennessee/141690939183150</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/California-ProLife-Democrats/98915319315">https://www.facebook.com/pages/California-ProLife-Democrats/98915319315</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/DemocratsForLifeofPA/">https://www.facebook.com/DemocratsForLifeofPA/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pro-Lifers-for-Peace-and-Justice/119035788132303">https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pro-Lifers-for-Peace-and-Justice/119035788132303</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WholeLifeMovement/">https://www.facebook.com/WholeLifeMovement/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/LFACLE/">https://www.facebook.com/LFACLE/</a> (Liberals for a Consistent Life Ethic)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/LiberalsPro">https://www.facebook.com/LiberalsPro</a>/ (Liberal and Pro-Life)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/1439429939654064">https://www.facebook.com/groups/1439429939654064</a> (Pro-Life Progressives)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/1632762973673714/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/1632762973673714/</a> (Prolifers for Bernie)<br />
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Atheist/Agnostic/Secular Pro-Life Non-profit Organizations and social media groups:<br />
*Secular Pro-Life:<br />
<a href="http://secularprolife.org/">http://secularprolife.org/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/secularprolife">http://www.facebook.com/secularprolife</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/54623206855/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/54623206855/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/secularprolife/">https://www.instagram.com/secularprolife/</a><br />
<a href="http://blog.secularprolife.org/">http://blog.secularprolife.org/</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/secularprolife">https://twitter.com/secularprolife</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/secularprolife">http://www.youtube.com/user/secularprolife</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/69532637639/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/69532637639/</a><br />
*Pro-Life Humanists:<br />
<a href="http://www.prolifehumanists.org/">http://www.prolifehumanists.org/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ProLifeHumanists">https://www.facebook.com/ProLifeHumanists</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/prolifehumanists/">https://www.instagram.com/prolifehumanists/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.prolifehumanists.org/blog/">http://www.prolifehumanists.org/blog/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/ProLifeHumanists">http://www.youtube.com/user/ProLifeHumanists</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/prolifehumanist">https://twitter.com/prolifehumanist</a><br />
*Other:<br />
<a href="http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html">http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2218614613/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/2218614613/</a> (Atheist and Agnostic Pro Life League)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/aaagainstabortion/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/aaagainstabortion/</a> (Agnostics & Atheists Against Abortion)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ProLifeAtheists/">https://www.facebook.com/ProLifeAtheists/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/AtheistsAgainstAbortion">https://www.facebook.com/AtheistsAgainstAbortion</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2023375607897847/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/2023375607897847/</a> (Humanist Women Against Abortion)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/1237927826251050">https://www.facebook.com/groups/1237927826251050</a>/ (AAPLL Atheists and Agnostics Only)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/141291502724771/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/141291502724771/</a> (The Best Secular Pro-Life and Anti-Religious Images)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/475230029353010/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/475230029353010/</a> (Secular Pro-Life League)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/220132012136978">https://www.facebook.com/groups/220132012136978</a> (Atheist and Agnostic Pro Life League: Reincarnated)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/TheProLifeAtheist">https://www.facebook.com/TheProLifeAtheist</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/ProlifeWithoutReligion">https://www.facebook.com/groups/ProlifeWithoutReligion</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/prolifesecularistsaustralia">https://www.facebook.com/prolifesecularistsaustralia</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/IrishAtheistsAndAgnosticsForLife">https://www.facebook.com/IrishAtheistsAndAgnosticsForLife</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/1198368933539580">https://www.facebook.com/groups/1198368933539580</a> (Secular Pro-Life Ireland)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pro-Life-Athiests-and-Agnostics/265803963448005">https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pro-Life-Athiests-and-Agnostics/265803963448005</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/AtheistAgnosticProLifers">https://www.facebook.com/AtheistAgnosticProLifers</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ProlifeItsWhatsRightPeriod">https://www.facebook.com/ProlifeItsWhatsRightPeriod</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/AllFaithsAbolitionists/">https://www.facebook.com/AllFaithsAbolitionists/</a><br />
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/secularabortiondebate/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/secularabortiondebate/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/170390733516176/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/170390733516176/</a> (Never Alone: Secular Post-Abortive Healing)<br />
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For LGBTQIA+ Pro-Lifers:<br />
*PLAGAL - The Pro-Life Alliance of Gays and Lesbians:<br />
<a href="http://plagal.org/">http://plagal.org/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/PLAGAL-The-Prolife-Alliance-of-Gays-and-Lesbians-99136188374/">https://www.facebook.com/PLAGAL-The-Prolife-Alliance-of-Gays-and-Lesbians-99136188374/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/plagalplus/">https://www.instagram.com/plagalplus/</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/PLAGALofficial">https://twitter.com/PLAGALofficial</a><br />
*Other:<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/144532882359620">https://www.facebook.com/groups/144532882359620</a> (LGBT Pro-Lifers)</div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/406592447097739">https://www.facebook.com/groups/406592447097739</a> (<span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">LGBTQ+ Pro-lifers)</span><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dont-abort-let-a-gay-couple-adopt/182030105161566">https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dont-abort-let-a-gay-couple-adopt/182030105161566</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/LGBTQProLifeNetwork">https://www.facebook.com/LGBTQProLifeNetwork</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/40gaysforlife">https://www.facebook.com/40gaysforlife</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/lgbtprolifeirl">https://www.facebook.com/lgbtprolifeirl</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/lgbtprolifeirl">https://twitter.com/lgbtprolifeirl</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/lgbtporlavida/">https://www.facebook.com/lgbtporlavida/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/lgbtxlavida/">https://www.instagram.com/lgbtxlavida/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/lgbtporlavida/">https://www.instagram.com/lgbtporlavida/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/lgbtprovida/">https://www.instagram.com/lgbtprovida/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/l.g.b.t_provida/">https://www.instagram.com/l.g.b.t_provida/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/LGBTVidaMX/">https://www.facebook.com/LGBTVidaMX/</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/ProLifeLGBT">https://twitter.com/ProLifeLGBT</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/prolifelgbtusa">https://twitter.com/prolifelgbtusa</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/prolifelgbtusa">https://www.facebook.com/prolifelgbtusa</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/LGBTQProLife">https://twitter.com/LGBTQProLife</a></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/Pro-Life-LGBTQ-103917081730400/">https://www.facebook.com/Pro-Life-LGBTQ-103917081730400/</a><br />
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For Vegan and Vegetarian Pro-Lifers:<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/VeganandProLife/">https://www.facebook.com/VeganandProLife/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/VegansAgainstAbortion/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/VegansAgainstAbortion/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/603011886411541/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/603011886411541/</a> (Pro Life Vegans)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/438370923037775/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/438370923037775/</a> (Vegan Pro-Life Organisation)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/209158483602489/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/209158483602489/</a> (Vegans for Pro-Life)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/vegansagainstabortion/">https://www.facebook.com/vegansagainstabortion/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/Pro-Life-VegansVegetarians-428364590557466">https://www.facebook.com/Pro-Life-VegansVegetarians-428364590557466</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ProLifeVegetarians">https://www.facebook.com/ProLifeVegetarians</a><br />
<a href="http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=prolife_vegans">http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=prolife_vegans</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gargaro.com/vegan.html">http://www.gargaro.com/vegan.html</a><br />
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/environmentalistsforlife/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/environmentalistsforlife/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/1344307165643493/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/1344307165643493/</a> (Vegan, Pro-Life, Christians)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/VegansVegetarians-Who-are-Pro-Life-and-Believe-in-God/162794273734165">https://www.facebook.com/pages/VegansVegetarians-Who-are-Pro-Life-and-Believe-in-God/162794273734165</a><br />
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For POC pro-lifers:<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/problackprolife1619/">https://www.facebook.com/problackprolife1619/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/blackprolifemovement">https://www.facebook.com/blackprolifemovement</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/National-Black-Pro-Life-Union-166244356774771">https://www.facebook.com/National-Black-Pro-Life-Union-166244356774771</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/abidewomenshealth/">https://www.facebook.com/abidewomenshealth/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2025950520857605">https://www.facebook.com/groups/2025950520857605</a> (Black, Woman & ProLife)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/NBPLC">https://www.facebook.com/groups/NBPLC</a> (National Black ProLife Coalition)<br />
<a href="http://www.toomanyaborted.com/">http://www.toomanyaborted.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://blackgenocide.org/home.html">http://blackgenocide.org/home.html</a><br />
<a href="https://www.latinos4life.org/">https://www.latinos4life.org/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/Latinos4Life">https://www.facebook.com/Latinos4Life</a><br />
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Other pro-life pages that lean toward liberal/pro-woman/secular ideals:<br />
*Rehumanize International:<br />
<a href="https://www.rehumanizeintl.org/">https://www.rehumanizeintl.org/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/RehumanizeIntl">https://www.facebook.com/RehumanizeIntl</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/rehumanizeintl/">https://www.instagram.com/rehumanizeintl/</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/RehumanizeIntl">https://twitter.com/RehumanizeIntl</a><br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLwEOT_fZznDi402wdzpH7w">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLwEOT_fZznDi402wdzpH7w</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/RehumanizePgh">https://www.facebook.com/RehumanizePgh</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/rehumanizepgh">https://www.facebook.com/groups/rehumanizepgh</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/RehumanizeNewEngland">https://www.facebook.com/RehumanizeNewEngland</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/RehumanizeStreetTeam/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/RehumanizeStreetTeam/</a><br />
*Consistent Life:<br />
<a href="http://www.consistent-life.org/">http://www.consistent-life.org/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ConsistentLife">https://www.facebook.com/ConsistentLife</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/ConsistentLife">http://www.youtube.com/user/ConsistentLife</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/consistentlife">https://twitter.com/consistentlife</a><br />
*All Our Lives:<br />
<a href="http://www.allourlives.org/">http://www.allourlives.org/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/all.our.lives">https://www.facebook.com/all.our.lives</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/all_our_lives">https://twitter.com/all_our_lives</a><br />
<a href="https://allourlives-official.tumblr.com/">https://allourlives-official.tumblr.com/</a><br />
*Pro-Life San Francisco:<br />
<a href="https://www.prolifesf.com/">https://www.prolifesf.com/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/prolifesf/">https://www.facebook.com/prolifesf/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/prolifesf/">https://www.instagram.com/prolifesf/</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/prolifesf">https://twitter.com/prolifesf</a><br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO7UKAytH8dGWnBM8X0vRzg">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO7UKAytH8dGWnBM8X0vRzg</a><br />
*Other:<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WeAreProlifeWomen/">https://www.facebook.com/WeAreProlifeWomen/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/Unconventional-Pro-Life-Memes-1394257494059296/">https://www.facebook.com/Unconventional-Pro-Life-Memes-1394257494059296/</a><br />
<a href="http://consistent-life.livejournal.com/">http://consistent-life.livejournal.com/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.consistentlifenetwork.org/member-orgs">https://www.consistentlifenetwork.org/member-orgs</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/consistenthumanlife">https://www.facebook.com/groups/consistenthumanlife</a> (Supporters For A Consistent Pro-Life Ethic)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/381291125296047/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/381291125296047/</a> (Anti-Abortionists for Greater Pre and Post Birth Funding)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/292421877538265/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/292421877538265/</a> (Pro-lifers in favor of Safer Sex, Birth Control, and Sex-Ed)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ProLifers4SaferSex">https://www.facebook.com/ProLifers4SaferSex</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/PeacefullyProLife">https://www.facebook.com/PeacefullyProLife</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/holisticprolife/">https://www.facebook.com/holisticprolife/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/bareandprolife/">https://www.facebook.com/bareandprolife/</a> (Pro-Life Nudist)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/doulasforlife/">https://www.facebook.com/doulasforlife/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/antiwarprolife">https://www.facebook.com/antiwarprolife</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/133662487451283/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/133662487451283/</a> (Pro Lifers For gun control)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/Pro-Vaccine-Pro-Life-835274306676420/">https://www.facebook.com/Pro-Vaccine-Pro-Life-835274306676420/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/335429880456505/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/335429880456505/</a> (Pro Life Pro Vaccine)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ProlifeIntactivists">https://www.facebook.com/ProlifeIntactivists</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/116943918996842">https://www.facebook.com/groups/116943918996842</a> (Pro-Life Intact)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pro-Life-is-for-ALL-religions/131919896967408">https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pro-Life-is-for-ALL-religions/131919896967408</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Human-Rights-and-Scientific-Honesty-Initiative-University-of-Virginia/131787153562919?ref=stream">https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Human-Rights-and-Scientific-Honesty-Initiative-University-of-Virginia/131787153562919?ref=stream</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/386286044787083/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/386286044787083/</a> (Human Rights for Born and Unborn)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/1858491831106044/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/1858491831106044/</a> (Intersectional Pro-Life Alliance)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2255820753/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/2255820753/</a> (Unconventional Prolifers)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/144958959510556">https://www.facebook.com/groups/144958959510556</a> (Progressives, Former ProChoice-ers, and Atheists ProLife Alliance)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/Abort-Ableism-369229523895434/">https://www.facebook.com/Abort-Ableism-369229523895434/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/makeableismwrongagain/">https://www.facebook.com/makeableismwrongagain/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/419391611771928/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/419391611771928/</a> (Handicapped Humans Against Abortion)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/359712157389495/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/359712157389495/</a> (Deaf and Hard of Hearing Pro-Lifers)<br />
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlternativeLifers/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlternativeLifers/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Secular-ProLife-Socialist/432028110164660">https://www.facebook.com/pages/Secular-ProLife-Socialist/432028110164660</a><br />
<a href="http://lifepeace.tripod.com/">http://lifepeace.tripod.com/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Alternatively-Pro-Life/160428947434154">https://www.facebook.com/pages/Alternatively-Pro-Life/160428947434154</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/alternativeprolifers/">https://www.facebook.com/alternativeprolifers/</a><br />
<a href="http://rockforlife.org/">http://rockforlife.org/</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/rockforlife">https://twitter.com/rockforlife</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/313427672041132">https://www.facebook.com/groups/313427672041132</a> (Pro-Life Rockers.)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/157492728277818/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/157492728277818/</a> (Punk Rock & Pro Life)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/Pro-Life-Goths-and-Rockers-1288574284490564/">https://www.facebook.com/Pro-Life-Goths-and-Rockers-1288574284490564/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/Pro-Lifers-With-Tattoos-Piercings-Body-Mods-and-Vibrant-Hair-414294549170195/">https://www.facebook.com/Pro-Lifers-With-Tattoos-Piercings-Body-Mods-and-Vibrant-Hair-414294549170195/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/signsforlife7/">https://www.facebook.com/signsforlife7/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/383903911621898">https://www.facebook.com/groups/383903911621898</a> (Pro-Life Artists Unite)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ProLifeArtistsUnite/">https://www.facebook.com/ProLifeArtistsUnite/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/TheProLifeArtistPage/">https://www.facebook.com/TheProLifeArtistPage/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/589331834752317">https://www.facebook.com/groups/589331834752317</a> (Pro Life Entertainers & Artists)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/313361330470/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/313361330470/</a> (Pro-Life Pagans, Wiccan's, Witches, and Vodouisants)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/468617136880086">https://www.facebook.com/groups/468617136880086</a> (Pro-life Satanists, Left-Hand Path Followers, and their allies)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/BuddhistsProtect">https://www.facebook.com/BuddhistsProtect</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/Buddhistsforlifecenter/">https://www.facebook.com/Buddhistsforlifecenter/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/Pro-Life-Swag-555048744929948/">https://www.facebook.com/Pro-Life-Swag-555048744929948/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/656900031171703">https://www.facebook.com/groups/656900031171703</a> (Pro-life Millennials)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2204927003154333">https://www.facebook.com/groups/2204927003154333</a> (sounds like eugenics but ok)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2143706355709374/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/2143706355709374/</a> (oh, we're killing poor people now? cool, cool...)<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/277781053145336/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/277781053145336/</a> (Pro-Life Mermaids)<br />
<a href="http://www.gargaro.com/abortion/alt.html">http://www.gargaro.com/abortion/alt.html</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/NonAggressionPrincipleAgainstAbortion">https://www.facebook.com/NonAggressionPrincipleAgainstAbortion</a><br />
<a href="http://www.l4l.org/">http://www.l4l.org/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ProLifeLibertarians">https://www.facebook.com/ProLifeLibertarians</a><br />
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Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-33113189887333026232018-03-07T15:15:00.000-08:002018-03-07T15:15:56.030-08:00If the unborn is a human...<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<span style="background-color: white; color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">If the unborn is not a human, no justification for abortion is necessary (all abortions would be no different than using a condom and there would be no reason for abortion to be a "tough, gut-wrenching choice that no one wants to make" as a lot of pro-choicers describe it). <br /><br />However, if the unborn is a human, no justification for abortion is adequate (not the fact that we're poor, not the fact that we're single, not the fact that we have career goals, not the fact that we don't want to be mothers etc. Being labelled as "unwanted" by someone else could never possibly be a reason to kill someone, lest we want to create the world's most totalitarian society.) <br /><br />Science does indeed tell us that the unborn are distinct living human beings and not just clumps of human cells.</span></div>
Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-31459147827287213292018-03-07T15:13:00.000-08:002018-03-07T15:13:26.315-08:00Why a lot of pro-choicers really don't care about women<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
So I hear myself saying "These people really don't care about women at all!" more and more as I hear pro-choice arguments, I may have even mentioned that before in this blog, so I figured I'd write down why the pro-choice side seems like the "anti-woman" side, and like they really just hate women. Not all pro-choicers are this way (heck some of the ones who are may not even realize this is anti-woman as they could be blinded by the politics of it all and just say/do things because they are so used to hearing it. And perhaps when not dealing with abortion they are pro-woman in certain ways, but the fact is that there are some things they do/say that couldn't be called pro-woman and do seem like a hatred of them), but it's getting harder and harder to find the good ones.<br />
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*Only think the choices are get an abortion or be forced to raise a child you don't want with no means<br />
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*Act like women who have unplanned and unwanted children will abuse them once they are born (so many people living today weren't wanted/planned but were NOT abused by their parents, because parents don't have an automatic switch to where they just hurt their children if they didn't decide to have them)<br />
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*Say that no woman is happy to have an abortion yet really try to make sure a horrible choice no woman wants, sticks around, even at the expense of helping other choices.<br />
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*Fail to mention that most abortions aren't by women who don't want their babies, but rather women who think that they can't do it because of lack of choices or not knowing of their choices. They frame abortion as if you can't force a woman to bear an unwanted child, and all children should be wanted, when most abortions occur with the women wanting their children even if it was unexpected but not knowing how to be the mothers they want to be.<br />
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*Force women to choose between a career or school and a child, and then call that liberation.<br />
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*It says that women <i>can't</i> do it all. They can't be career women or school women and mothers. They apparently aren't strong enough to do so and shouldn't be trusted to do so.<br />
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*<i>Doesn't </i>trust women to make their own decisions by refusing to give them proper info and facts of other choices, the unborn, and abortion, ensuring that they aren't fully informed before making such a big decisions and thus ensuring they will most likely regret it as they made a decisions they weren't informed on. Not only that but it makes women illiterate with the info surrounding all of this. They hide the humanity of the unborn and are against women seeing ultrasounds before the abortion because they know that if they have that knowledge, they won't go through with it.<br />
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*They don't let people actually offer women other options. When sidewalk counseling, even if they are being nice and respectful and honestly offering women help, pro-choicers will try and drown them out and walk the woman to the abortion clinics while telling them not to listen to the people trying to offer them help. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjExb8wrUYU">Here</a> is a video of a pro-choice activist who posed as a woman seeking an abortion and having someone escort her into an abortion center, who shared the video on youtube with her and her boyfriend's commentary, saying she was "terrified" by the pro-life sidewalk counselors, who allegedly "bullied and intimidated" her, and they omitted the commentary the pro-life sidewalk counselor gave so you don't actually hear it but rather are left to assume what they say is true . Want to know what the pro-lifer actually said?...<br /><br />
<span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "arial" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;">"Good morning, my name's Kelly. I'd like to talk to you this morning before you go in to have an abortion. On the corner, just past the abortion clinic, on the corner is A Woman's Choice, and you can get a free ultrasound. We want to help you, so whatever brings you in here for this abortion today, we want to help you. We have, um, adoption counseling, financial counseling, free ultrasounds... whatever you need. We have free maternity homes, anything you need. Ma'am, what you have in you is a son or a daughter. It was decided at conception whether you were carrying a son or a daughter. The baby inside you [unintelligible] is still valuable and precious. And we're just [unintelligible]."</span><br />
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*I<span style="color: #333333;">n a feminist society where they successfully made abortion</span><span style="color: #333333;"> legal and have</span><span style="color: #333333;"> kept it legal and they have gotten so many other things for women, they haven't done a lot to secure more rights/options for pregnant women and mothers and children. They could have easily done this had they actually cared about women. It tends to be the pro-lifers who do this.</span><br />
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*Forces women to wage war on their very own children, and makes a conflict between women and unborn children.<br />
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*By saying women only choose abortion when they feel like they have no other choice and no woman goes into an abortion clinic happy to abort because it isn't about wanting to kill but rather feeling like they have no other options, and then say that that choice should be an option, you are forcing them to choose that, and showing that YOU are the ones who think women can't choose for themselves. You are giving them no choice.<br />
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*Make women think they need abortion in order to be equal, even though they also say that it is the woman's choice and men can't have a say, so men already don't have abortion rights<br />
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*Refuse getting abortion clinics up to standard, like <a href="http://www.lifenews.com/2013/08/26/argument-against-inspecting-abortion-facilities-is-disingenuous-anti-woman/">this</a> article states, if abortion clinics actually cared about women, they would already have these standards in place without the government having to get involved. The abortion industry doesn't care about women, they care about money.<br />
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*Refuse to acknowledge all the women who have died in "safe and legal" abortions<br />
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* Refuse to acknowledge all the women who regret their abortions and have suicidal thoughts and tendencies and PTSD, and that it is bad for the women as well as the unborn<br />
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*Refuse to tell their pro-choice advocates about the facts, thus they feel tricked when they realize it and tend to turn pro-life.<br />
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*Refuse to let women choose to be pro-life. They silence pro-life women constantly.<br />
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*Refuse to let female fetuses have the choice of life<br />
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*Refuse to be against or stand up to sex-selective abortion killing women in the womb<br />
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*The whole pro-choice thing makes women put their children in the same spot women were in previously. This is not only horrible for their own children, it degrades women. The first wave of feminism fought against women being seen as "not persons" and the second wave turned women into the people claiming that their children were "not persons." It's the ultimate irony.<br />
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*Even beyond all of that, we are hearing more stories of guys coercing or forcing women to miscarry or have abortions, even without them knowing it by slipping them the abortion pill, guys telling people <a href="http://www.returnofkings.com/16089/how-to-convince-a-girl-to-get-an-abortion">how to convince a girl to get an abortion</a>, or with the "bro-choice" crowd, saying a good reason to be for abortion is so that you can have <a href="http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/13734/brochoice-how-hb2-hurts-texas-men-who-like-women">more casual sex</a>. Sometimes bad guys use "pro-choice" to their advantage to get women to have the abortions they want.<br />
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Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-22148398265737652272017-11-15T23:29:00.000-08:002017-11-15T23:29:38.989-08:00Pro-Choice Violence.<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
This is no where near all the stories but I wanted to at least show what I have collected so far.<br /><br />
http://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/category/pro-choice-violence/<br />
http://www.gargaro.com/otherside.html<br />
http://www.rightgrrl.com/2001/belltolls.shtml<br />
http://www.prochoiceviolence.com/<br />
http://www.hli.org/resources/pro-abortion-violence-setting-the-record-straight/<br />
http://blog.secularprolife.org/2017/02/disgusting-so-called-people.html<br />
http://www.mrc.org/eye-culture/media-repeatedly-ignores-violent-attacks-against-pro-lifers<br />
--Jim Poullion murdered by Harlan James Drake:<br />
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jim-pouillon-anti-abortion-activist-murdered-in-front-of-school/<br />
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/11/michigan.shooting/<br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jim_Pouillon<br />
--Anne Gordon murdered by Eric Paul Henry<br />
http://archive.lifenews.com/state3171.html<br />
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https://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2015/04/22/abortion-advocate-throws-molotov-cocktail-at-pro-lifers-outside-planned-parenthood/<br />
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Derrick Doss waving a gun:<br />
https://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2015/07/08/2-gun-incidents-outside-abortion-clinics-only-one-arrest/<br />
http://www.guns.com/2015/07/10/man-arrested-after-pulling-gun-on-protesters-at-abortion-clinic-video/<br />
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http://www.theinterim.com/events/lifechain/assailant-found-guilty-in-toronto-lifechain-attack/<br />
http://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/pro-lifer-assaulted-in-michigan/<br />
http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2001-02-05/article/3313<br />
http://www.hli.org/2011/09/hli-condemns-attacks-on-french-pro-lifers/<br />
http://www.lifenews.com/2013/08/27/pro-choice-man-pleads-guilty-in-case-of-swerving-car-at-pro-lifer/<br />
https://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2014/03/23/theft-battery-vandalism-charges-filed-against-pro-choice-professor/<br />
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http://www.independent.com/news/2014/mar/21/ucsb-professor-charged-theft-and-battery-after-con/<br />
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/16673/<br />
http://www.lifenews.com/2014/03/12/feminist-studies-professor-leads-angry-mob-to-assault-pro-lifers/<br />
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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/abortion-extremist-faces-4-year-jail-term-article-1.1076120<br />
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pro-abortion-extremist-pleads-guilty-making-death-threats-against-pro-life-activists<br />
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https://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2015/05/06/man-threatens-to-shoot-abortion-protesters-becomes-physical-as-wife-exits-clinic/<br />
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/man-arrested-punching-87-year-old-woman-back-while-she-protested-abortion<br />
http://www.lifenews.com/2014/01/31/police-had-to-form-human-shield-around-pro-lifers-to-protect-them-from-abortion-activists/<br />
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhH4Vwy5agc (Pat McKinley on the LAPD's Torture of Pro-Life Protesters with Nunchucks)<br />
http://www.lifenews.com/2014/03/27/abortion-activist-laura-levites-says-pro-life-teen-should-be-murdered/<br />
http://studentsforlife.org/purdue-staff-member-calls-for-rape-of-pro-life-students/<br />
http://studentsforlife.org/purdue-professor-calls-pro-life-students-vile-racist-idiots/<br />
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/video-liberal-arrested-shoving-bloody-maxi-pad-pro-lifers-mouth/<br />
https://www.facebook.com/babeswhodgaf/videos/1516907568321532/?comment_id=1331182580291887<br />
http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/attack-on-pro-life-activist-at-an-abortion-facility-results-in-capture-of-child-rapist/<br />
http://www.denverpost.com/2014/03/06/man-on-trial-in-denver-for-sex-assault-killed-himself/<br />
https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/why-i-called-the-police-at-the-abortion-facility-last-month/<br />
http://www.dailywire.com/news/22426/pro-abortion-topless-feminists-attack-catholic-amanda-prestigiacomo#exit-modal<br />
http://www.lifenews.com/2017/11/09/professor-wants-to-beat-the-s-out-of-pro-life-students-protesting-planned-parenthood/<br />
http://liveactionnews.org/five-disturbing-pro-choice-insults-extensive-hate-mail-collection/<br />
https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/38680/<br />
http://www.wdam.com/Global/story.asp?S=12743818<br />
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ms-supreme-court/1529928.html<br />
https://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/2008-former-planned-parenthood-doc-got-6-years-for-possession-of-child-porn-keep-funding-them/<br />
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Olympia-gynecologist-given-6-1-2-years-in-prison-1271939.php#ixzz1RGJFxO1K<br />
http://unacceptablyprolife.blogspot.com/2013/09/man-kills-girlfriend-for-being-pregnant.html<br />
http://poway.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/poway-man-convicted-of-seconddegree-murder-in-pregnant-girlfriends-death<br />
http://www.teenbreaks.com/abortion/girfriend-executed-refuse-to-have-an-abortion.cfm<br />
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9214252/Jail-for-punching-pregnant-partner<br />
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2480154/Cheating-boyfriend-jailed-trying-abort-unborn-child-giving-pregnant-partner-miscarriage-inducing-drugs.html<br />
http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.cfm/sd-man-sentenced-for-attempted-fetal-homicide/?id=155601<br />
http://www.wbtv.com/story/24101762/father-of-unborn-child-accused-of-shooting-woman-several-times<br />
http://newcity.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/new-city-man-convicted-on-seven-counts-in-domestic-abuse-case<br />
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2525374/Craig-Thomas-hit-girlfriend-stomach-pipe-beat-baby-her.html<br />
http://www.allourlives.org/more-data-on-abortion-and-intimate-partner-violence/<br />
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/malorie-bantala-kevin-wilson-found-7023040<br />
http://www.lifenews.com/2014/02/21/sexually-abusive-boyfriend-forced-her-to-get-seven-abortions/<br />
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-man-fed-pregnant-woman-drug-laced-pancake-killed-fetus/<br />
http://mobile.news.com.au/world-news/man-gave-girlfriend-abortion-pill/story-fndir2ev-1226644902205<br />
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/john-andrew-welden-pleads-guilty-in-tampa-abortion-pill-case/2140798<br />
http://liveactionnews.org/man-who-slipped-girlfriend-abortion-drug-receives-maximum-sentence/<br />
http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/gwentnews/10688133.Newport_man_made_secret_bid_to_abort_baby/<br />
http://www.thenews-messenger.com/article/20140505/NEWS01/305050027<br />
http://lifedynamics.com/abortionist-convicted-sexually-abusing-patients-will-remain-behind-bars-lost-appeal/<br />
https://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2014/11/20/planned-parenthood-employee-court-case-on-charge-of-sexual-battery-set-for-december/<br />
http://abortiondocs.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Thornton-Tony-Indecent-Exposure-Police-Report.pdf<br />
http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/caught-on-video-abortionist-attacks-girlfriend-during-forced-abortion-attempt/<br />
http://www.lifenews.com/2013/09/03/abortion-clinic-closes-in-michigan-woman-was-forced-to-have-abortion-there/<br />
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mother-escapes-abortion-by-jumping-out-abortion-facility-window<br />
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/09/high-court-orders-abortion_n_5473628.html<br />
http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/13734/brochoice-how-hb2-hurts-texas-men-who-like-women<br />
http://www.returnofkings.com/16089/how-to-convince-a-girl-to-get-an-abortion<br />
http://www.teenbreaks.com/abortion/kill-unborn-child.cfm#.UhtV3CxY4sU.facebook<br />
http://www.lifenews.com/2013/09/05/336-million-abortions-have-taken-place-in-china-under-the-one-child-policy/<br />
http://www.pop.org/content/us-state-department-acknowledges-china%E2%80%99s-sex-trade-fueled-one-child-policy<br />
http://www.pritzkerlaw.com/wrongful-death-attorney/death-of-unborn-baby-accident.html<br />
http://whyiamprolife.org/?p=1017<br />
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1921865-updates-and-details-of-arian-fosters-reported-lawsuit</div>
Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-20286059044855218042017-09-16T16:35:00.005-07:002023-09-17T11:09:19.185-07:00Why Abortion is Patriarchal Oppression<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<div style="background-color: white; color: #1d2129; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 6px; margin-top: 6px;"><span style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;">Cis men often pressure, force, or coerce women and pregnant people into abortions. They threaten us into it or otherwise try and manipulate us. Men (not all but too many to not talk about) use abortion as a way to use women as reusable and disposable sex objects so that they can have sex with them all they want without having to take care of their responsibilities. There are even movements called "bro-choice" and “men for choice” that ironically point this out, with "bros" talking about how abortion is good for them specifically because of that reasoning....and somehow the “no uterus no opinion” idea conveniently doesn’t apply to “pro-choice” men. It treats our bodies as garbage disposals; as in, what you put into us can just be chopped up into little bits and the bloody mess taken out so that you can use us over and over again. Abortion is a deadbeat dad's favorite thing. </span><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><span style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;">Rapists use it to continue to rape and control their victims, as it gets rid of the “evidence” (not only DNA evidence to prove he was the rapist on trial, but suddenly having a child is evidence that she is being raped to everyone around her as well) and thus they can get away with raping her for longer, and pressuring her to abort is another way to control her too. This happens with standard rape and statutory rape as well, and some abortion clinics have even lied about the age of statutory rape victims or didn’t contact social services when she comes in with an older man, so that they can give underage girls abortions. Alice Paul, the feminist who created the Equal Rights Amendment act (ERA) has stated, “Abortion is the ultimate exploitation of women.” There are so many ways in which that rings true. </span><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><span style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;">Men also have killed many women and pregnant people for not aborting, or otherwise harmed them by throwing them down stairs etc. to try and cause a miscarriage, or slipped them the abortion pill without them knowing it. Without men and the patriarchy, abortion wouldn't exist. Not only that but it was the men of NARAL who sold abortion to feminists and the world in the late 1960s by making up lies. One of those men, the abortion doctor Bernard Nathanson, flat-out admitted that they lied. And it was men who were the ones to vote on Roe V Wade and men have always been the abortion doctors, and prey on women by telling them that their children are not children but clumps of cells etc., so that they can get their abortion dollars. Some of them have admitted they make lots of money from abortion. </span><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><span style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;">Also, male bosses make women feel like they can't be mothers while working and that abortion is what they should choose, which is just another way to coerce. Same with being single or poor or going to school or what have you. Women get abortions because of the mother shaming society we live in making them feel like they have no other choice. If men could get pregnant, abortion wouldn't exist, because people don't tell men that they can't be career men and fathers at the same time yet women get constantly told that we can't be career women and mothers at the same time so abortion is necessary for our success. This is one of those tactics that those men from NARAL used to get support for abortion. It's just sad that it worked.</span><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><span style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;">The abortion-and-pro-choice-industry tells us that the wombless male body is normative and that in order to have equal rights to men and compete in a male-dominated world, we need have abortion so that we aren't "bothered" and "bothering them" with the concept of having children. Instead of raising women to the equal rights level of men as we are, we are taught to get rid of what makes us uniquely female because it is a "burden", and that we should lower ourselves to what we deem as the worst kind of men--deadbeat dads. Instead, we should be empowering pregnant and parenting women, and telling them we CAN do it. You CAN be pregnant or a mother while going to school, you CAN be pregnant or a mother while working, you CAN be pregnant or a mother while a teenager, you CAN be pregnant or a mother while single, and you CAN be pregnant or a mother while poor. Rosie the riveter is a great example of the "yes we can" concept yet somehow when it comes to pregnancy we have turned it into "No you can't, have an abortion." Having kids does not mean you have to give up a life worth living, yet that is what the abortion industry wants us to believe, but it goes against everything feminism stands for.</span><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><span style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;">There are many women who regret their abortions, and have depression from it, PTSD from it, suicidal tendencies from it, or have actually killed themselves from it. You can find their videos on youtube or their stories in writing, just by looking up "I regret my abortion" or "abortion regret" on google or youtube. Because women are basically told in various ways that we have no other choice to abort yet people turn around and say it is somehow “our choice” when debating abortion, we are the ones who end up as the scapegoats and thus have to deal with all the heaviest feelings from it. We are told we can’t regret it because it was “our choice” despite the fact that we choose it because we are told we have no choice. The men who pressure us into it get out without having to deal with it because it reinforces old-fashioned stereotypes that anything having to do with babies is “women’s work.”</span><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><span style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;">There are so many women who feel this way that there are endless amounts of organizations around to help women with post-abortive regret, which wouldn't be able to be around if women never regretted it, yet these women constantly get ignored so that the abortion industry can act like women rarely regret it to keep women supporting pro-choice politicians and coming into the abortion clinics and giving them their hundreds of dollars for each abortion. Women's voices of regret are being swept under the rug like crazy. That is what misogyny looks like. Although not all men do the things I am describing in this article, and in fact abortion can hurt men and make them regret lost fatherhood just like many women regret their abortions as well, it still happens far too much.</span><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><span style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;">Also, it truly shows we are oppressed when people act like somehow we need to have a right to treat our children the way we have been treated by men, by oppressing them and treating them as our property to be disposed of as we see fit, and instead of giving us actual help for our situations. Offering abortion is an easy way for people to blow off our problems and act like they helped us. An abortion doesn't make a poor woman not poor or a raped woman un-raped or an abused woman not abused etc., it just throws women right back into these situations after she leaves the clinic. All it gives her is a dead child on top of the problems she has, it doesn't help the problem at all. It doesn't solve the root problem.</span><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><span style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;">On top of all of that, sex selective abortion kills females in the womb just for being females because people want sons. This happens in various countries including our own but in the ones where it is most prevalent, there is a gap between the amount of men and women, as a decent chunk of women were killed in the womb. This has led to young women being kidnapped, raped, trafficked, and forced into marriages because the men of the population have a lack of women to choose from in terms of coupling. Pro-lifers believe in women's rights, we just go one step further and say that ALL women should have rights, not just the born ones, for we truly don't have rights if they don't start when we first exist. Women deserve better than all of this. We deserve better than being given a bad choice that no one really wants and we basically just choose because we are told we need to choose it. No woman walks into an abortion clinic happy to do it. This is something that both pro-choicers and pro-lifers agree on. We just need to understand that that horrible choice that no one likes or really wants shouldn't be held up as an example of wonderful women's rights. It's something that comes from our oppression and is something we should always be fighting to end, because it hurts us too.</span><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><span style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;">All of these things are why when I was 14 and found out what abortion was, I was pro-life *on the specific basis* that I am a leftist feminist. I started off by having many feminist reasons to be against abortion before I could even know the politicizing strategies of each side. And when I started to hear the stereotypes that abortion was supported by feminists and opposed by those who aren't, I automatically assumed people were joking, because that would never make any sense. Abortion is pure violence, on our children and us. It would never fit in with feminism. It is just more evidence that we are oppressed.</span><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><span style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;">For more information on Pro-Life feminism, google or facebook search (or enter in the websites of) out the organizations</span><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><a href="https://www.facebook.com/FeministsForLife/?fref=mentions" style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; text-decoration-line: none; white-space: pre-wrap;">Feminists for Life</a><span style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;"> : </span><a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.feministsforlife.org%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2QqciLmeWMGJKZBkFQuuCtGLYtHXDF4tgq32faPmcB8p-rJqZMFBDDYG8&h=AT1mwdV5w07cuJEFuphMbivrSldP6rieMrMBt_iOhFB3BYZAlDET4-mSh0-Gf-tU9H2axY-PQuSgOFrrAVZoYUQV9vfuKWMiT5a258J_v6pKOWI_q_TZlPXAiRPVhOCD3Tk" rel="noopener nofollow" style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; text-decoration-line: none; white-space: pre-wrap;" target="_blank">http://www.feministsforlife.org/</a><br style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;" /><a href="https://www.facebook.com/ffnvc/?fref=mentions" style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; text-decoration-line: none; white-space: pre-wrap;">Feminists for Nonviolent Choices</a><span class="_4yxr" style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; text-decoration-line: underline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> : </span><a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ffnvc.org%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1IM7Adko-3U3gkAD6QgEeOAO5sMlJscecJCIitNF8E2VnR2uufUlPp9wE&h=AT2J_AuIdHlbvVLT9hvhBBrH-MeIIyMYoCEooYH2b62XKyywzoZy27jbpcH90ZuPKZVU-WUKw4-E5Alekiqy-35gcN3i56SOHa-VVT-zFhKjDVJ3L54hbyTFySNlWk0GVaQ" rel="noopener nofollow" style="color: #385898; 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cursor: pointer; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; text-decoration-line: none; white-space: pre-wrap;" target="_blank"><span class="_4yxr" style="font-family: inherit; text-decoration-line: underline;">https://www.fclnyact.org/</span></a><span class="_4yxr" style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; text-decoration-line: underline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></span><span style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;">and </span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/Pro-Life-Feminists-160836647308867/?fref=mentions" style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; text-decoration-line: none; white-space: pre-wrap;">Pro-Life Feminists</a><span class="_4yxr" style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; text-decoration-line: underline; white-space: pre-wrap;">: </span><span style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span><a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fprolifefeminists.wordpress.com%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3k6qMjNCDrlR70j5dZhUg3EPpLDusYMiKRjihrzRsvfwBXDMEzmJCf6g0&h=AT3evSKcq7ycAshb-TcbnYksPr2EF0aBVSpPhJ4etikTW9PyGXsd82acWnelbprxNADDq40ZFuXUNyss7feHNXAOR9ol0yo1OY1faOUcrTlXBj2AsnOMHHNRXlK8kdSmDXo" rel="noopener nofollow" style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; text-decoration-line: none; white-space: pre-wrap;" target="_blank"><span class="_4yxr" style="font-family: inherit; text-decoration-line: underline;">https://prolifefeminists.wordpress.com/</span></a><span class="_4yxr" style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; text-decoration-line: underline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></span><span style="color: #1c1e21; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; white-space: pre-wrap;">These are the organizations that have helped me realize that I am not alone and that Pro-Life feminism has existed since feminism began, as it started off Pro-Life to begin with. All the early feminists, such as Susan B Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Alice Paul, Victoria Woodhull, Dr. Elizabeth Blackwell, Mary Wollstonecraft etc. etc. and even Margaret Sanger (the founder of Planned Parenthood) were pro-life. It was the men from NARAL who made up lies that turned some of the feminists pro-choice. Let's not let men get the better of us, and return to understanding that the violence of abortion is not fit for feminism and a world where we champion peace and equal rights. It is the destruction of everything we stand for. It is the destruction of us. </span></div>
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Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-3523009414781281562016-09-28T22:50:00.003-07:002023-01-15T04:03:34.955-08:00Parallels of Veganism and Pro-lifeism<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><p class="preFade fadeIn" style="margin: 1rem 0px; opacity: 1; overflow-wrap: break-word; transition: opacity 0.6s ease 0.411765s;"><span style="font-family: Poppins;"><span style="background-color: white; white-space: pre-wrap;">When talking about the comparisons of the issues of abortion and animal farming + exploitation, it seems that there are two similar sides that we can look at. The similarities between vegan arguments and pro-life arguments, and the similarities between animal exploitation arguments and pro-choice arguments.
<b>Similarities between veganism and pro-lifeism: </b>
*Both are centered around the idea of respecting life, especially that of the particularly innocent, vulnerable, voiceless, helpless, defenseless etc.
*Right to life is present in both. With pro-lifeism, of course the unborn child is being killed so a focus is put on the fact that they have a right to not be killed and to continue their lives, and with veganism, animals get killed and thus a focus is put on them having a right to not be killed and to continue their lives.
*Right to not be harmed and bodily autonomy, as well as the right to not be seen as property to be disposed of as one sees fit, is present in both. In an abortion, the child is dismembered with medical tools or sucked apart or poisoned etc. This harms them and takes away their bodily rights as their bodies are being harmed and destroyed. They are considered their parents’ property and they are at the will of their parents. With animal farming/consuming/exploiting, there are many different ways in which the bodies of animals are harmed and they are treated as objects and their bodily rights are taken away as well, whether that be abuse like being beaten over the head in some factory farms, or the stress of being artificially inseminated and having to give birth and being constantly milked, or going through training in circuses etc. They are literally considered the property of farmers and are at the will of those who farm them, train them, or are otherwise considered their owners.
*Both point out that if one can't stand to look at gruesome pictures that are the end result of what they are supporting (abortion pictures/slaugtherhouse pictures), then they don't want to be supporting it in the first place. The idea is that if one finds it offensive then you are saying that something you support is offensive...so why are you supporting it?
*Both see the genocide that is happening right before our eyes, and understand that it is prejudice and oppression. Both have trouble understanding why after learning our lesson with the past genocides, we still continue with this one. Some on each side make comparisons to the holocaust and slavery/racism as well as sexism.
*Both mention that abortion or animal consuming/using aren't necessary, and talk about the other options that one has. For why should we go out of our way to cause all this death and destruction when we don't have to? For abortion, there is adoption (of which you can have open, closed, or semi-open, and they are free to adopt out), safe-haven/safe-surrender/baby-moses laws which let you leave the child at any police station, hospital, or fire department, no questions asked, kinshipcare or guardianshipcare, where you give the child to a family member or close friend to be raised, and this can be long-term or short-term, or a ton of options for help if the woman does think she can be a parent with the right help. That goes into various avenues such as financial, daycare, baby drives, housing, rights for pregnant women at school or in the workplace and things to make it easier like desks that fit the stomachs of pregnant women or set ups for her to work or learn from home etc. There's also talk of artificial wombs. With veganism, there's literally a vegan version of everything. There are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of edible plants that we have discovered so far and literally a vegan version of everything. If it's possible to make it non-vegan, it's possible to make it vegan. There are tons of vegan options at every store and you can veganize fast food meals as well. Those who are poor can be vegan, as many of us are. There are vegan leathers and soaps and this and that and the other.
*Right to rescue is present in both. In the 80s and 90s, the pro-life rescue movement was underway with pro-lifers occupying preborn slaughterhouses to save the women and children inside. There has been a modern resurgence of this lately, led by secular progressive pro-life activists such as in PAAU. Animal rights activists also rescue animals from factory farms and other such things, such as with the recent Smithfield Trial which was a victory for members of DXE who saved a few pigs from slaughter.
*Right to continue living so as to continue to use the other rights and choices they would have is present in both. Pro-lifers often talk about how the most important right is the right to life, as all other rights would be meaningless without it as you wouldn't be alive to get to use them. Vegans often point out that animals are here for their own reasons, just like us, to have their own lives and do their own things. They aren't here to be objects for the use of humans. That brings me to a related issue on the reverse...
<b>Similarities between non-veganism and pro-choiceism: </b>
*Both use a "choice" argument, and forget the victim at hand and their choices, and act like the perpetrator needs to have a choice to harm the victim. With animal using and consuming, they think it has to be the ones partaking in the using or consuming that need to have a choice to do so. Often you'll l hear something like, "It's my choice to eat meat. You can't infringe on other people's choices. If you don't eat meat, that's your own choice, but you can't tell me what to do." With abortion it's the same thing, with the mother getting to choose to take her unborn child to a facility to be dismembered and killed. "It's my choice to get an abortion. You can't infringe on other people's choices. If you wouldn't get an abortion, that's your own choice, but you can't tell me what to do."
*Similarly, both use the bodies of those committing the act instead of the bodies of the victims to act like somehow disregarding one's bodily autonomy is the bodily right of another. For abortion, "It's my body, my choice." and sometimes "If it's in my body I can kill it." For animal consuming/wearing, "It's my body, my choice. I get to choose what goes in/on my body." Both actions require harming and killing someone else's body, but only the bodies of the ones doing said harming will ever be paid attention to for these sides. Forgetting the victim and acting like it's the other side that is in the wrong because they are infringing on the rights of those taking away the rights of others is an old way to pass off discrimination.
*Both exploit women, those who are pregnant, and the female reproductive system, break up the mother and baby bond, and kill children. The abortion industry and pro-choice movement tell pregnant people that they cannot be mothers in whatever hard situations they are in so they have no other choice but to abort, or that their children are not children but just clumps of cells. This is exploitative and coercive. Abortion pits mother against child, breaking up the mother-baby bond and kills the pregnant person's baby for a profit. Many post-abortive people grieve their dead children afterward and develop PTSD or depression. The dairy, pork, veal, and eggs industries exploit female farm animals by forcing them to get pregnant so that they can produce milk or more animals to farm, stealing their babies so that the milk can go to humans or to kill the babies who are of no use to the egg industry or can become veal, and send the female children back into the same systems their mothers are in. This not only exploits the mothers and kills the children but also breaks up the mother and baby bond. Mothers are known to grieve their children who were taken from them.
*Both use overpopulation as an excuse to kill the victims. With abortion, they say that humans are overpopulated and thus we shouldn't have anymore, as well as that since they think the earth is overpopulated, they'll have a horrible life so we might as well not allow them to exist so as to spare them a life in the overpopulated world. With animal consuming/using, they say that animals are overpopulated so we need to kill them so that their overpopulation doesn't get in the way.
*Both use things such as pain, sentience, intelligence, size, looks, and ability to contribute to society as a way to belittle the victims and excuse killing and harming. They say that those who have yet to be born can't feel pain, aren't conscious, aren't intelligent, are so small, and that that therefore makes them lesser than us and so we can kill them. They say that those of other species can't feel pain (the classic "fish don't feel pain" myth for example), aren't conscious, aren't intelligent, animals like insects are so small, and that that therefore makes them lesser than us and so we can kill them. Both of these not only are incorrect *at the very least* for some of those who have yet to be born and some animals, but also forget that there are many born humans, such as infants and other children and those along the wide spectrum of disabilities and diseases who also fall in those categories, yet they understand then that those things don't matter at all. How can you argue that if one isn't intelligent, they can be killed, if you understand that a born human who is mentally challenged needs even more protection than the average person? It's a might makes right attitude as well. "I'm bigger than you/smarter than you etc., so since I can kill you because you have less abilities than me, I should be allowed to have that choice." Discriminating against a group based off of their abilities, or Ableism, is another classic way to pass off discrimination, and is closely tied to eugenics. It has been said that you have to look at someone's differences and act like that makes you better, in order to get people to successfully oppress a group. For the unborn it's dehumanizing, for other animals it's speciesism.
*Both use the arguments that these things have been happening for so long/are natural, and that people will still do them even if it's outlawed. Abortion is ancient so women will still find a way to do it they say. Animal eating is ancient and what we need to be doing they say. God put animals on earth for us to use they say. God aborts babies all the time they say.
*Both try to brush off the act by talking about the fact that it is legal, as if somehow something being legal therefore makes it ok, or that somehow you shouldn’t advocate for the other side as if things can’t change from legal to illegal.
*Both try to find ways to defend at least some abortion or animal killing/harming. With abortion they say "well it's ok if it's below a certain amount of weeks/well it's ok if she was raped/well it's ok if the child has a disability etc." With animal killing they usually go for the ones labeled "humane" "organic" "grass fed" “cage free" “free rage" without realizing the problems with these, or they point to specific animals. Or they'll just say "I wouldn't eat a dog but a pig is different."
*Ultimately, both look at the differences we have from these groups rather than our similarities and use that as a way to exert power and control over them and "other" them to the point of death, dismemberment, and exploitation.</span></span></p></div>
Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-77229545104893844192015-05-01T01:57:00.001-07:002020-10-09T21:08:02.904-07:00The science of the unborn<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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<div>"<span style="color: #191919; font-family: "Libre Baskerville", Georgia, serif; font-size: 15px;">5,337 biologists (96%) affirmed that a human’s life begins at fertilization...The majority of the sample identified as liberal (89%), pro-choice (85%) and non-religious (63%). In the case of Americans who expressed party preference, the majority identified as Democrats (92%).</span>...<span style="color: #191919; font-family: "Libre Baskerville", Georgia, serif; font-size: 15px;">most Americans believe that the question of “when life begins” is an important aspect of the U.S. abortion debate (82%); that most believe Americans deserve to know when a human’s life begins in order to give informed consent to abortion procedures (76%); and that most Americans believe a human’s life is worthy of legal protection once it begins (93%). Respondents also were asked: “Which group is most qualified to answer the question, ‘When does a human’s life begin?’” They were presented with several options—biologists, philosophers, religious leaders, Supreme Court Justices and voters. Eighty percent selected biologists, and the majority explained that they chose biologists because they view them as objective experts in the study of life."</span></div><div><span style="color: #1d2129; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14px;">https://quillette.com/2019/10/16/i-asked-thousands-of-biologists-when-life-begins-the-answer-wasnt-popular/</span></span><br /><br /><span style="color: #1d2129; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14px;"> "We talk of human development not because a jumble of cells, which is perhaps initially atypical, gradually turns more and more into a human, but rather because the human being develops from a uniquely human cell. There is no state in human development prior to which one could claim that a being exists with not-yet-human individuality. On the basis of anatomical studies, we know today that no developmental phase exists that constitutes a transition from the not-yet-human to the human."</span></span><br /><span style="color: #1d2129; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14px;">
"In short, a fertilized egg (conceptus) is already a human being." -Erich Blechschmidt, Brian Freeman, The Ontogenetic Basis of Human Anatomy: The Biodynamic Approach to Development from Conception to Adulthood, North Atlantic Books, June 2004. pp 7,8</span></span></div>
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“Traditional ways of classifying catalog animals according to their adult structure. But, as J. T. Bonner (1965) pointed out, this is a very artificial method, because what we consider an individual is usually just a brief slice of its life cycle. When we consider a dog, for instance, we usually picture an adult. But the dog is a “dog” from the moment of fertilization of a dog egg by a dog sperm. It remains a dog even as a senescent dying hound. Therefore, the dog is actually the entire life cycle of the animal, from fertilization through death.” -Scott Gilbert, Developmental Biology, 6th Edition<br />
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“All of us were once human embryos, so the study of human embryology is
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“Fertilization, the uniting of egg and sperm, takes place in the oviduct. After
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together, resulting in the formation of a zygote containing a single diploid nucleus. Embryonic development is considered to begin at this point.”
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“The life cycle of mammals begins when a sperm enters an egg.” Okada et al., A role for the elongator complex in zygotic paternal genome demethylation, NATURE 463:554 (Jan. 28, 2010)</div>
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“Fertilization is the process by which male and female haploid gametes (sperm and egg) unite to produce a genetically distinct individual.”</div>
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-Signorelli et al., Kinases, phosphatases and proteases during sperm capacitation, CELL TISSUE RES. 349(3):765 (Mar. 20, 2012)</div>
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“The oviduct or Fallopian tube is the anatomical region where every new life begins in mammalian species. After a long journey, the spermatozoa meet the oocyte in the specific site of the oviduct named ampulla, and fertilization takes place.”</div>
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"Fertilization is the epic story of a single sperm facing incredible odds to unite with an egg, and form a new human life. It is the story of all of us." "The two sets of chromosomes join together, completing the process of fertilization. At this moment, a unique genetic code arises, instantly determining gender, hair color, eye color, and hundreds of other characteristics. This new single cell, the zygote, is the beginning of a new human being."</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DBFrVmDgh4v49&h=ATNosZXsoPZUKIwWrBdRC92OsIoTse3qhBND1HkbgMBwvQVdWxSsTHp6DL5C983pNSWOQIpbG79ih7Rt5HBY4Nkx9UT2S-_ccK8QutCYAFubDUzCszBkmWpcMkpc4Jn7yiusY5nVSX8" rel="noopener" style="color: #365899; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFrVmDgh4v49</a> (Fertilization (Conception) by Nucleus Medical Media)</div>
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"The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual's unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated."<br />
<a data-lynx-mode="async" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D33R2zTGK1eM&h=ATOzEaMLTvtvi89cVjpUinyYhutZEJ1vc7WZqVNkPnl2C4ANqyqEjBd0TjM0couhSHsMF6RV1nuyNTrPvsMsSfCB098sGd9LhVmz5yfUAeJydH-kj2hJiKBhwTuGGhREktq4M4OMQc7qzXTcqVcUPiLq" rel="noopener" style="color: #365899; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33R2zTGK1eM</a> (In the Womb by National Geographic)<br />
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"Biologically speaking, fertilization (or conception) is the beginning of human development...Fertilization begins with the spermatozoon contacting the cells surrounding the oocyte and ends with the mixing of the 23 male and 23 female chromosomes. The result is a single-cell embryo called a zygote, meaning "yoked or joined together," and it is the first cell of the human body. The zygote, like the oocyte, is encased by its protective covering, the zona pellucida, and contains 46 unique chromosomes with the entire genetic blueprint of a new individual."</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ehd.org%2Fdev_article_unit1.php%23fertilization&h=ATONyGozIyYSVRC4cd-SC398198fRuiK1quFMK5f1pudFqYXaFCcRTZdjUMOjNuBoTJ2abgHwQikJs14O9_P9Df4RrlNR4tUrKzlvcLTzKHWkHPTt4wCO9DI6mP4Cw_2pTkz0PFwayo" rel="noopener" style="color: #365899; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">http://www.ehd.org/dev_article_unit1.php#fertilization</a> (Prenatal Form and Function – The Making of an Earth Suit by the Endowment of Human Development)</div>
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*"Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization...The result is a single-cell embryo called a zygote, meaning "yoked or joined together""The zygote's 46 chromosomes represent the unique first edition of a new individual's complete genetic blueprint. This master plan resides in tightly coiled molecules called DNA. They contain the instructions for the development of the entire body. DNA molecules resemble a twisted ladder known as a double helix."<br />
"From the completion of 8 weeks until the end of pregnancy, the developing human is called a fetus, which means "unborn offspring."</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ehd.org%2Fpdf%2FBPD%25204-26-2006%2520English.pdf&h=ATNLo5g2FmCcA4yHqkmkNu6P8OEyNeq9HFBVmM-NbTfs3CFnnFaSEhUJExYgYm9ShKBj94u_XZWTqcCCP1gmAaLa40ygExAz2OUTFRR9gAyNcF-gReEF4SEiTDvvGxfTDl94s-iETS8" rel="noopener" style="color: #365899; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">http://www.ehd.org/pdf/BPD%204-26-2006%20English.pdf</a> (The Biology of Human Development by National Geographic and The Endowment of Human Development)<br />
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"Fertilization occurs when the nuclei of a sperm and an egg fuse to form a diploid cell, known as zygote. The successful fusion of gametes forms a new organism."<br />
<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHuman_fertilization&h=ATPSml56Flwcx6j43eQzbmvel4FNQdP-lvXf5IT3fKGT35temR-JiO66XlqCNjnNPMNERm7ZgPrj8NU1ZS4uIE_Oej9HEsWXnny9ifof4JPjVf2bqsl94AtzvneQzqTNWXptiNLdUBc" rel="noopener" style="color: #365899; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_fertilization</a> (even wikipedia acknowledges a zygote is a new organism)<br />
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"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte."</div>
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-"Human Embryology & Teratology, 3rd Edition, New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8." by Ronan R. O'Rahilly and Fabiola Müller</div>
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“Although human life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed. … The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity.”<br />
-[O'Rahilly, Ronan and Muller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]<br />
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"Although human development is usually divided into prenatal (before birth) and postnatal (after birth) periods, development is a continuum that begins at fertilization (conception). Birth is a dramatic event during development, resulting in change in environment.<br />
Development does not stop at birth; important developmental changes occur after birth-- development of teeth and female breasts, for example."</div>
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-"Before We Are Born : Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects,(5th Edition) (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998) 36." by Keith L. Moore and T. V. N. Persaud<br />
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"Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual."<br />
"A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo)."</div>
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“Human development is a continuous process that begins when an oocyte (ovum) from a female is fertilized by a sperm (spermatozoon) from a male. Cell division, cell migration, programmed cell death, differentiation, growth, and cell rearrangement transform the fertilized oocyte, a highly specialized, totipotent cell – a zygote – into a multicellular human being. Although most developmental changes occur during the embryonic and fetal periods, important changes occur during later periods of development: infancy, childhood, adolescence, and early adulthood. Development does not stop at birth. Important changes, in addition to growth, occur after birth (e.g., development of teeth and female breasts). The brain triples in weight between birth and 16 years; most developmental changes are completed by the age of 25. Although it is customary to divide human development into prenatal (before birth) and postnatal (after birth) periods, birth is merely a dramatic event during development resulting in a change in environment.” (p. 2)</div>
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“Embryo. The developing human during its early stages of development. The embryonic period extends to the end of the eighth week (56 days), by which time the beginnings of all major structures are present.” (p. 3)</div>
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“The zygote is genetically unique because half of its chromosomes come from the mother and half from the father. The zygote contains a new combination of chromosomes that is different from that in the cells of either of the parents.” (p. 33)</div>
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-"The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition, Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003, pp. 16, 2." by Keith L. Moore and T. V. N. Persaud</div>
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“Human development begins at fertilization when a sperm fuses with an oocyte to form a single cell, the zygote.”</div>
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“All major external and internal structures are established during the fourth to eighth weeks.”</div>
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“Upper limb buds are recognizable at day 26 or 27 as small swellings on the ventrolateral body walls.”</div>
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“Embryos in the sixth week show spontaneous movements, such as twitching of the trunk and developing limbs.”</div>
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“By the end of this week (8<sup>th</sup> week), the embryo has distinct human characteristics; however, the head is still disproportionately large, constituting almost half of the embryo.”<br />
-The Developing Human 10th edition, by Keith L Moore, T.V.N. Persaud, and Mark Torchia, 205</div>
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"The scientific answer is that the embryo is a human being from the time of fertilization because of its human chromosomal constitution. The zygote is the beginning of a developing human."</div>
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Keith L. Moore, T.V.N. Persaud, Mark G. Torchia, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 8th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2013. p.327</div>
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"[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being."</div>
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-Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.<br />
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"Fertilization is the process whereby the sperm and egg--collectively called gametes--fuse together to begin the creation of a new individual whose genome is derived from both parents... Thus, the first function of fertilization is to transmit genes from parent to offspring" -Developmental Biology 10th edition by Scott F. Gilbert.<br />
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"Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual." -Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3<br />
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"The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote." -Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3<br />
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"It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual." -Human Embryology, 3rd ed. Bradley M. Patten, (New York: McGraw Hill, 1968), 43<br />
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“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception."- Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D.<br />
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“The zygote and early embryo are living human organisms.” Keith L. Moore & T.V.N. Persaud Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects (W.B. Saunders Company, 1998. Fifth edition.) Page 500</div>
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"Development begins with fertilization, the process by which the male gamete, the sperm, and the female gamete, the oocyte, unite to give rise to a zygote."</div>
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-T.W. Sadler, Langman's Medical Embryology, 10th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, 2006. p. 11.</div>
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"Human embryos begin development following the fusion of definitive male and female gametes during fertilization... This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."</div>
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-William J. Larsen, Essentials of Human Embryology. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1998. pp. 1, 14.</div>
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"A Zygote (Created fertilization) is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization."</div>
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-Developing Human Clinical 6th edition</div>
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"An Embryo is an organism in the earliest stages of development."</div>
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-Harper Collins Illustrated medical dictionary<br />
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"It is an established fact that life, including human life, begins at the moment of conception…"- r. Hymie Gordon, professor of medical genetics and physician at the Mayo Clinic</div>
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"It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual."</div>
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-Clark Edward Corliss, Patten's Human Embryology: Elements of Clinical Development. New York: McGraw Hill, 1976. p. 30.<br />
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"The term conception refers to the union of the male and female pronuclear elements of procreation from which a new living being develops. It is synonymous with the terms fecundation, impregnation, and fertilization."<br />
"The zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life."</div>
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-J.P. Greenhill and E.A. Friedman, Biological Principles and Modern Practice of Obstetrics. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders, 1974. pp. 17, 23.<br />
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"Every time a sperm cell and ovum unite a new being is created which is alive and will continue to live unless its death is brought about by some specific condition."</div>
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-E.L. Potter and J.M. Craig, Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant, 3rd edition. Chicago: Year Book Medical Publishers, 1975. p. vii.</div>
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“Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism…. At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun…. The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life.”<br />
[Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]<br />
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Dr. Jerome Lejeune of Paris, France was a medical doctor, a Doctor of Science and a professor of Fundamental Genetics for over twenty years. Dr. Lejeune discovered the genetic cause of Down Syndrome, receiving the Kennedy Prize for the discovery and, in addition, received the Memorial Allen Award Medal, the world's highest award for work in the field of Genetics. He is often called the "Father of Modern Genetics". The following are some notable statements by him:<br />
"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into existence. This is no longer a matter of taste or opinion. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception."<br />
- 1989 court testimony in Tennessee, cf. also Louisiana Legislature's House Committee on the Administration of Criminal Justice on June 7, 1990</div>
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Dr. Michelin Mathews Roth<br />
"It is incorrect to say that biological data can not be decisive. It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception."<br />
*reached a conclusion after all their testimony that physicians and biologists agree that human life begins at conception.<br />
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"The human nature of the human being from conception to old age is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence."<br />
- The Subcommittee on Separation of Powers, Report to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th<br />
Congress, First Session, 1981<br />
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"Physicians, biologists, and other scientists agree that conception marks the beginning of the life of a human being - a being that is alive and is a member of the human species. There is overwhelming agreement on this point in countless medical, biological, and scientific writings."<br />
- The official Senate report from Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, Report, 97th Congress, 1st Session, 1981<br />
Background on the Committee testifiers:<br />
A group of internationally-known biologists and geneticists appeared to speak on behalf of the scientific community on the subject of when a human being begins. They all presented the same view and there was no opposing testimony. Among those testifying:<br />
Dr. Micheline M. Mathews-Roth, Harvard medical School<br />
Dr. Jerome Lejeune (“Father of Modern Genetics”)<br />
Dr. McCarthy de Mere, medical doctor and law professor, University of Tennessee<br />
Dr. Alfred Bongiovanni, Professor of Pediatrics and Obstetrics, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine<br />
Dr. Richard V. Jaynes<br />
Dr. Landrum Shettles, sometimes called the "Father of In Vitro Fertilization"<br />
Professor Eugene Diamond<br />
Gordon, Hymie, M.D., F.R.C.P., Chairman of Medical Genetics, Mayo Clinic, Rochester<br />
C. Christopher Hook, M.D. Oncologist, Mayo Clinic, Director of Ethics Education, Mayo Graduate School of Medicine</div>
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“You Can Stop Injustice” Human Life Alliance Supplement, 2010</div>
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“The fusion of sperm and egg membranes initiates the life of a sexually reproducing organism.”</div>
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“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs [at conception], the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”</div>
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-Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.</div>
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“It should always be remembered that many organs are still not completely developed by full-term and birth should be regarded only as an incident in the whole developmental process.”</div>
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-F Beck Human Embryology, Blackwell Scientific Publications, 1985 page vi</div>
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“In this text, we begin our description of the developing human with the formation and differentiation of the male and female sex cells or gametes, which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual” (p. 1)</div>
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-Human Embryology, William J Larsen, 3rd Edition, 2001</div>
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<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">“Fertilization – the fusion of gametes to produce a new organism – is the culmination of a multitude of intricately regulated cellular processes.”</span><br />
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<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">The government’s own definition attests to the fact that life begins at fertilization. According to the National Institutes of Health, “fertilization” is the process of union of two gametes (i.e., ovum and sperm) “whereby the somatic chromosome number is restored and the development of a new individual is initiated.”</span><br />
<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">-National Institutes of Health, Medline Plus Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary (2013), </span><a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fc.merriam-webster.com%2Fmedlineplus%2Ffertilization&h=ATMUMK9ejDq-f9Du7FPyyaXvFMRikjbJoNkFtvGozRJqAkLSY5ACLBmsrcBhOfYJPbd5DifunpCIzFWTYARoEdieXDiuSbl-QOIy0IzzEuyWNX1oXyl8QIBMySeeHtJXeRntkxLc8Q4" rel="noopener" style="color: #365899; cursor: pointer; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">http://c.merriam-webster.com/medlineplus/fertilization</a><span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> </span><br />
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<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">“Your baby starts out as a fertilized egg… For the first six weeks, the baby is called an embryo.”</span><br />
<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">-Prenatal Care, US Department Of Health And Human Services, Maternal and Child Health Division, 1990</span><br />
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<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">-Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co</span><br />
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<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”</span><br />
<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">-James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)</span><br />
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“… Conception confers life and makes you one of a kind. Unless you have an identical twin, there is virtually no chance, in the natural course of things, that there will be “another you” – not even if mankind were to persist for billions of years.”</div>
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<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">-From Newsweek November 12, 1973:Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)</span><br />
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“The formation, maturation and meeting of a male and female sex cell are all preliminary to their actual union into a combined cell, or zygote, which definitely marks the beginning of a new individual. The penetration of the ovum by the spermatozoon, and the coming together and pooling of their respective nuclei, constitutes the process of fertilization.”</div>
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<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”</span><br />
<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">-Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419</span><br />
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<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">“The development of a new human being begins when a male’s sperm pierces the cell membrane of a female’s ovum, or egg….The villi become the placenta, which will nourish the developing infant for the next eight and a half months.”</span><br />
<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">-Scarr, S., Weinberg, R.A., and Levine A., Understanding Development, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1986. page 86</span><br />
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<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">“Each human begins life as a combination of two cells, a female ovum and a much smaller male sperm. This tiny unit, no bigger than a period on this page, contains all the information needed to enable it to grow into the complex …structure of the human body. The mother has only to provide nutrition and protection.”</span><br />
<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">-Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99</span><br />
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<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">“A zygote (a single fertilized egg cell) represents the onset of pregnancy and the genesis of new life.”</span><br />
<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">-Turner, J.S., and Helms, D.B., Lifespan Developmental, 2nd ed., CBS College Publishing (Holt, Rhinehart, Winston), 1983, page 53</span><br />
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<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">“…but the whole story does not begin with delivery. The baby has existed for months before – at first signaling its presence only with small outer signs, later on as a somewhat foreign little being which has been growing and gradually affecting the lives of those close by…”</span><br />
<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">-Lennart Nilsson A Child is Born: Completely Revised Edition (Dell Publishing Co.: New York) 1986</span><br />
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<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">"Embryo: 1. An organism developing inside a womb, egg, or seed. 2. A human baby in the first two months of growth in the womb.</span><br />
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<span face=""helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, "lucida grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">-The Usborne Internet-Linked Science Encyclopedia</span><br />
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"Every baby begins life within the tiny globe of the mother's egg... It is beautifully translucent and fragile and it encompasses the vital links in which life is carried from one generation to the next. Within this tiny sphere great events take place. When one of the father's sperm cells, like the ones gathered here around the egg, succeeds in penetrating the egg and becomes united with it, a new life can begin."</div>
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Geraldine Lux Flanagan, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/notes/kristin-monahan/the-science-of-the-unborn/10205829166275916/#" role="button" style="color: #365899; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit; text-decoration-line: none;">Beginning Life. New York: DK, 1996. p. 13.</a></div>
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Some of the world’s most prominent scientists and physicians testified to a U.S. Senate committee that human life begins at conception:</div>
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A United States Senate Judiciary Subcommittee invited experts to testify on the question of when life begins. All of the quotes from the following experts come directly from the official government record of their testimony.</div>
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Dr. Alfred M. Bongiovanni, professor of pediatrics and obstetrics at the University of Pennsylvania, stated:</div>
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“I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception.... I submit that human life is present throughout this entire sequence from conception to adulthood and that any interruption at any point throughout this time constitutes a termination of human life....</div>
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I am no more prepared to say that these early stages [of development in the womb] represent an incomplete human being than I would be to say that the child prior to the dramatic effects of puberty...is not a human being. This is human life at every stage.”</div>
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Dr. Jerome LeJeune, professor of genetics at the University of Descartes in Paris, was the discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down syndrome. Dr. LeJeune testified to the Judiciary Subcommittee, “after fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being.” He stated that this “is no longer a matter of taste or opinion,” and “not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence.” He added, “Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception.”</div>
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Professor Hymie Gordon, Mayo Clinic: “By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”</div>
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Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard University Medical School: “It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive.... It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception.... Our laws, one function of which is to help preserve the lives of our people, should be based on accurate scientific data.”</div>
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Dr. Watson A. Bowes, University of Colorado Medical School: “The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter—the beginning is conception. This straightforward biological fact should not be distorted to serve sociological, political, or economic goals.”</div>
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A prominent physician points out that at these Senate hearings, “Pro-abortionists, though invited to do so, failed to produce even a single expert witness who would specifically testify that life begins at any point other than conception or implantation. Only one witness said no one can tell when life begins.”</div>
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Many other prominent scientists and physicians have likewise affirmed with certainty that human life begins at conception:</div>
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Ashley Montague, a geneticist and professor at Harvard and Rutgers, is unsympathetic to the prolife cause. Nevertheless, he affirms unequivocally, “The basic fact is simple: life begins not at birth, but conception.”</div>
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Dr. Bernard Nathanson, internationally known obstetrician and gynecologist, was a cofounder of what is now the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL). He owned and operated what was at the time the largest abortion clinic in the western hemisphere. He was directly involved in over sixty thousand abortions.</div>
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Dr. Nathanson’s study of developments in the science of fetology and his use of ultrasound to observe the unborn child in the womb led him to the conclusion that he had made a horrible mistake. Resigning from his lucrative position, Nathanson wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine that he was deeply troubled by his “increasing certainty that I had in fact presided over 60,000 deaths.”</div>
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In his film, “The Silent Scream,” Nathanson later stated, “Modern technologies have convinced us that beyond question the unborn child is simply another human being, another member of the human community, indistinguishable in every way from any of us.” Dr. Nathanson wrote Aborting America to inform the public of the realities behind the abortion rights movement of which he had been a primary leader. At the time Dr. Nathanson was an atheist. His conclusions were not even remotely religious, but squarely based on the biological facts.</div>
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Dr. Landrum Shettles was for twenty-seven years attending obstetrician-gynecologist at Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center in New York. Shettles was a pioneer in sperm biology, fertility, and sterility. He is internationally famous for being the discoverer of male- and female-producing sperm. His intrauterine photographs of preborn children appear in over fifty medical textbooks. Dr. Shettles states,</div>
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I oppose abortion. I do so, first, because I accept what is biologically manifest—that human life commences at the time of conception—and, second, because I believe it is wrong to take innocent human life under any circumstances. My position is scientific, pragmatic, and humanitarian. </div>
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The First International Symposium on Abortion came to the following conclusion:</div>
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The changes occurring between implantation, a six-week embryo, a six-month fetus, a one-week-old child, or a mature adult are merely stages of development and maturation. The majority of our group could find no point in time between the union of sperm and egg, or at least the blastocyst stage, and the birth of the infant at which point we could say that this was not a human life.</div>
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The Official Senate report on Senate Bill 158, the “Human Life Bill,” summarized the issue this way:</div>
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Physicians, biologists, and other scientists agree that conception marks the beginning of the life of a human being—a being that is alive and is a member of the human species. There is overwhelming agreement on this point in countless medical, biological, and scientific writings.</div>
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"The most authoritative scientific conclusion on when human life begins that has been made in recent years, was the conclusion from The First International Conference on Abortion, held in Washington DC, October 1967. Approximately 60 major scientific authorities from the field of medicine, ethics, law and social sciences participated as consultants in this symposium. Carefully chosen for their scientific knowledge and integrity, they presented a cross-section of race, religion, culture, and geographic backgrounds. After several days of “think tank” discussions, the medical group, made up of geneticists, biochemists, physicians, professors, research scientists, etc., came to a near unanimous conclusion (one dissension):</div>
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“The majority of our group could find no point in time between the union of sperm and egg, or at least the blastocyst stage, and the birth of the infant at which point we could say that this was not a human life [blastocyst stage occurs approximately one week after fertilization, and would account for twinning]”.… The changes occurring between implantation, the 6 week embryo, six-month fetus, a one week-old child, or mature adult are really stages of development and maturation.”</div>
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-“Five Ways to Kill an Unborn Child” from the Knights of Columbus<br />
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"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).<br />
"Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."<br />
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"Embryo: the developing organism from the time of fertilization until significant differentiation has occurred, when the organism becomes known as a fetus."<br />
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"The development of a human begins with fertilization, a process by which the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."<br />
[Sadler, T.W. Langman's Medical Embryology. 7th edition. Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins 1995, p. 3]</div>
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"The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down."<br />
[Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63]</div>
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"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."<br />
[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1] </div>
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"The chromosomes of the oocyte and sperm are...respectively enclosed within female and male pronuclei. These pronuclei fuse with each other to produce the single, diploid, 2N nucleus of the fertilized zygote. This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."<br />
[Larsen, William J. Human Embryology. 2nd edition. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1997, p. 17]</div>
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"Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote."<br />
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"A human being at an embryonic age and that human being at an adult age are naturally the same. The biological differences are due only to the differences in maturity. Changes in methylation of cytosine demonstrate that the human being is fully programmed for human growth and development for his or her entire life at the one cell stage."</div>
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-Dr. David Fu-Chi Mark, a distinguished molecular biologist. Report of the South Dakota Task Force to Study Abortion, pp.21-25. quoted in United Families International Guide to Family Issues: Abortion (Gilbert, Arizona: United Families International, 2007) 24</div>
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“Every human embryologist, worldwide, states that the life of the new individual human being begins at fertilization (conception).… We exist as a continuum of human life, which begins at fertilization and continues until death.”</div>
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“Reproduction depends on the union of male and female gametes (reproductive, or germ, cells) each with a half set of chromosomes, to form a new individual with a full, unique set of chromosomes.”</div>
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"ABSTRACT: The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins. "</div>
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“[T]here is nothing in the entire phenomenon of the transmission of life that deserves more to be called an event, scientifically speaking, that does fertilization. It is the natural and scientific boundary at which a new and genetically unique human individual can be said to begin his existence. We conclude, therefore, that by objective and scientific criteria the individual human being is a person throughout his [or her] entire biological development from conception, which is synonymous with fertilization, to natural death… Any other conclusion would be arbitrary, unsupportable by scientific fact or rational argument, divorced from objective reality, and based on a particular ideology, philosophy or creed.”</div>
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-Direct report on S. 158 by Dr. Sean O’Reilly, Director of the Neurobiology Research Training Program at George Washington University, dated July 2, 1981</div>
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“The task force finds that the new recombinant DNA technologies indisputably prove that the unborn child is a whole human being from the moment of fertilization, that all abortions terminate the life of a living human being, and that the unborn child is a separate human patient under the care of modern medicine.”</div>
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“The task force cited scientific advances since 1973 as showing an embryo to be a “whole, separate, unique, living, human being” from the moment of conception. The advances in question include DNA fingerprinting, which shows a pattern of DNA that can identify an individual, and the polymerase chain reaction, which makes it possible to amplify and extract that information from a single cell. Techniques that show an embryo has a complete set of DNA “have proven that each human being is totally unique immediately at fertilization”, the panel’s report says. The task force also cited findings that control of growth and development are established by the embryo’s DNA after the third division of the fertilized egg: this stage is reached long before the embryo is implanted in the womb, which has previously been cited as signifying when personhood began.”</div>
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-“When does life begin?” New Scientist 3/18/2006, Vol. 189, Issue 2543</div>
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"Birth may be a grand occasion, says the Johns Hopkins University psychologist [Janet DiPietro], but “it is a trivial event in development. Nothing neurologically interesting happens.”</div>
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“A composite, unified, sacrosanct, unanimity of thought as to when life begins can be determined by studying embryologic physiology. Scientifically acknowledged pronouncements should be more acceptable in determining the onset of human life than legal opinion.”</div>
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Jones, R. E. Human Reproductive Biology, 4th edition. Waltham, MA.
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“Human development begins at fertilization when an oocyte (ovum) from a
female is fertilized by a sperm (spermatozoon) from a male…Embryology is
concerned with the origin and development of a human being from a zygote
to birth.”
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<span style="font-family: inherit;">Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 9th edition.
Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2016. p. 1.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: inherit;">“The main results of fertilization are as follows: Restoration of the diploid
number of chromosomes, half from the father half from the mother. Hence,
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“Sexual reproduction occurs when female and male gametes (oocyte and
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<span style="font-family: inherit;">“Representing the 60 trillion cells that build a human body, a sperm and an
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“Fertilization is the culminating event in sexual reproduction and requires
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Timeline of major events:<br />
The brain is there at 2 - 3 weeks after conception, the heart starts beating at 2 - 3 weeks after conception, this is before women even know they are pregnant, limb buds form at 3 - 4 weeks, the cerebral hemispheres and cerebellum are there and begin rapid growth by 4 and a half weeks, eyes are there at 4 and a half weeks, movements start by 5 and a half weeks, brain waves are detectable to us by 6 weeks, the face withdraws from light touch around the mouth at 6 weeks, eyelids are present by 6 weeks, they hiccup by 7 weeks, females have ovaries at 7 weeks, the testes begin to differentiate in males at 7 weeks, all the organs are there at 8 weeks, they roll over and open and close their mouths and squint and have complex responses to touch by 8 weeks, male fetuses make testosterone in their testes at 8 weeks, the neurons synapse in the cerebral cortex by 8 and a half weeks (meaning the cerebral cortex is there before), female fetuses have identifiable uteruses and early reproductive cells in their ovaries at 9 weeks, they yawn by 9 and a half weeks, and fingerprints are visible by 10 weeks. Most abortions happen at 8 weeks on up. You can watch the heart beating at 4 and a half weeks after conception right here. <a data-lynx-mode="async" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ehd.org%2Fmovies.php%3Fmov_id%3D21&h=ATN12l6QEUGC_3vDs8WWvLs6fk48Ji7pPNy_2zEiIna8DzM6Pe0ts_wvk4LSf_UJndSQDP_PhDAJvRm5oiD616ru_-BJJj-0LMjni3-oWgwzToi2CH8ioIlcvMbl6c63uDcQjJ4PgS4YrytU038O1ANR" rel="noopener" style="color: #365899; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">http://www.ehd.org/movies.php?mov_id=21</a></div>
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Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com7tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-44605199810579760362014-05-20T02:22:00.001-07:002014-05-20T14:11:59.957-07:00Pro-Life: A Youth Movement<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
Well I've been hearing for a while now that the teens and twentysomethings of today are very pro-life. <a href="http://www.secularprolife.org/">Secular Pro-Life</a> states that this generation is the most pro-life and least religious since Roe V. Wade. We have groups like <a href="http://studentsforlife.org/">Students for Life</a>, and Pro-Life groups, marches, and rallies are having increasing amounts of youth. We really are the pro-life generation.<br />
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It makes sense that the youth would be the most pro-life for a number of reasons. For one thing, abortion is the most ageist/childist act, so of course the youth, given that they were not as far away from being in utero as their elders, as well as the fact that they still have to constantly go through lots of ageism as you aren't treated as a real human being until you are a legal adult (or then some), would be pro-life and fight for their fellow youth just like they would with any injustice put on one of them. This is a big reason why I always hated it. Being very liberal, I always had a sense of realizing the youthism there is, wanting a teenage revolution, and being anti-establishment, so I definitely saw abortion as the worst human rights violation against kids.<br />
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Also, the kids of today have had abortion legalized for their <i>whole </i>lives and then some. It's a bit different for someone in their 40s who is pro-life, becuase they never had to think about how they could have been a casualty to this, and it would be <i>perfectly legal. </i>Abortion was only legalized in the 70s, so for those who are in their 30s or below, there is a much greater sense of being a survivor. Those who are <i>just</i> like us have fallen victim to abortion. Some of our classmates and potential friends are gone because of this. A third of our generation is gone because of abortion. I definitely have had that creepy feeling while thinking of how it feels to be this lucky to have been given life when my mother could have aborted me. I often wonder how many abortions were performed the year I was born. Abortion has always been around, but not to this extent and not legalized like this. So really it would be like any group fighting for others in said group. Really it just makes sense to fight for our younger brethren. We may not be embryos, but we are still youth. Think of gay people who don't plan on getting married fighting for marriage equality so that their kind who do wish to can have that opportunity. It hits so much more close to home for the younger generations. It's personal.<br />
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Another thing is that, well really a big reason why most Americans are pro-life now, we have better technology and access to the internet, and you know how the stereotype goes... The kids are the ones addicted to the internet and their smart phones and tablets and texting, and the older folks are the ones who can't figure it out. Sure, some older people are very technology wise, but the youth really are the ones who use this stuff more. We are the generation who grew up around it. It comes as second nature to us. And of course, you can find out the humanity of the unborn on the internet. You can go and look up different stages of fetal development and what happens at conception, find out the heart starts beating at 3 weeks after conception and the brain is the first organ to show up, at 2 weeks, and science says all over the place that it is indeed another unique and individual living human being that just happens to be growing inside of the woman but is not part of her, and so on and so forth.<br />
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There are better ultrasound/sonogram pictures than ever before, progressing past the very hard to see black and white original ones and moving to 3D and 4D. You can find pictures or video of what the embryos and fetuses look like inside the womb on the internet. You can even take home 3D statues of what your little one looks like in utero. The Endowment of Human Development has a lot of good <a href="http://www.ehd.org/movies-index.php">videos</a> of the unborn. You can literally see the heart beating, the blood pumping, as the skin is a bit translucent, at only a handful of weeks after conception. The truth is, most pro-choicers are pro-choice because they either don't know or don't understand the humanity of the unborn. Science and technology help them realize it little by little, and the kids are at the forefront of the technological age. If they are pro-choice, they can be smug and say "It's not a human, here, I'll prove it to you" and actually bother to look it up with the intentions of schooling those pro-lifers, but in reality realize how very wrong they were. I've heard it time and time again: Knowledge turns people pro-life, and the pro-choice side has a great fear of knowledge. If the kids are lucky enough to realize this, and the internet and better technology makes it easier, they become more and more pro-life. It is definitely not "just a clump of cells", sadly most pro-choicers still believe this, but it's easier than ever to find out how wrong that is.</div>
Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-32320825708763865832014-05-20T02:12:00.000-07:002014-05-20T02:12:08.195-07:00The dualities of pro-choicers talking when it isn't about abortion vs. when it is<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
So I came across <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFrVmDgh4v4">this</a> standard medical video on fertilization, and first of all, in the beginning it says, "Fertilization is the epic story of a single sperm facing incredible odds to unite with an egg, and form a new human life. It is the story of all of us." and at the end, "The two sets of chromosomes join together, completing the process of fertilization. At this moment, a unique genetic code arises, instantly determining gender, hair color, eye color, and hundreds of other characteristics. This new single cell, the zygote, is the beginning of a new human being." and I notices that one of the comments was about how this was the video that person was shown in school. We learn this stuff by the time we are in highschool. Yet I noticed there were no debates about when life begins in the comments section. Not a single comment about abortion at all. Not a comment even from the pro-life side saying "See we told you" and not a comment from the pro-choice side trying to say they must be wrong and it must be propaganda. I always thought it was weird how we are all taught this same stuff, yet when debating abortion, pro-choicers seem to forget it. I realize now that they totally accept it when being taught it or when it is in the context of learning about fertilization, but suddenly when it comes to abortion, they forget it all, and they say science says the opposite of what it says. They could be talking about conception or the unborn in general and know what it is and be correct with it, but then when it comes to abortion or "choice" suddenly they turn their backs on everything they just said, and say the opposite. It's like the issue of abortion has been so politicized that everyone forgets their common sense and everything they ever learned about the unborn just to take a jab at the other side. Once again, I blame the abortion industry/higher ups in the pro-choice movement, using all those slogans and dehumanizing and really trying to sell abortion, and making people think they have to be pro-choice if they are this or that. It's times like these I wish somehow, something like this could be an apolitical thing.<br />
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Also, when talking about babies and pregnant women, everyone everywhere will say that what is in the woman right now is a baby, is a child, is a being, is alive, is growing etc., but suddenly when talking about abortion, it isn't a baby, child, or being. You can watch any commercial with a pregnant woman in it and they will make it clear that what she has inside of her right now is a baby, yet if it's an abortion, it's a "clump of cells" or "product of conception" or "contents of the uterus." A wanted baby is a baby, yet an unwanted baby is a parasite. The most pro-choice people will recognize it is a life or baby or what have you when not talking about abortion, yet suddenly when that's the nature of discussion, it becomes something totally different.<br />
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In addition to that, when it isn't about abortion, they would never, ever advocate for killing or there not being people because of things like poverty and death and people having not-so-good lives. They know that the people that are here, even though they may have hardships, are worth being here, and they will probably get through it and be stronger for it. They actually advocate for helping these people, and looking at them not as burdens or not as people who are doomed, but rather people who should be loved and are worthy as we all are to be here, and take even more care of them and loving them all the more than people in general. Sure you still have the population controllers/eugenicists who do advocate for killing off people left and right and controlling the population because life isn't perfect, but even a lot of pro-choicers don't like those ideas. But when talking about abortion, suddenly all of that changes and it becomes "But what about poor women, single women, babies who have disabilities, people who grow up being abused, how evil can you be to think that they should have to go through lives like that?" First of all, these are people born who are having lives like this, and second of all, tons of them are wanted and planned. If you want to advocate for killing people in the womb because they may possibly have horrible lives, you'd have to advocate killing all the people that are born who have horrible lives.<br />
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Nothing ever GUARANTEES that someone will have to suffer or be in that situation anyway. You DON'T know how their lives will turn out. You can't tell the future. If someone is born disabled in some way, that DOES NOT mean they will grow up hating life, being bullied, or having parents who hate them or treat them poorly (and saying that a woman who has unwanted children will abuse them is VERY anti-woman. Lots of born people weren't wanted but their parents never hurt them and they grew up just fine), and for those that do, that does NOT mean they would be better off dead or would want to die. Even if they were bullied, it would be by people like you who point out how they are different and say they should have been aborted because of it. If someone is born to a poor mother, that DOES NOT mean they will have an awful, terrible life, or even that it will always be poor and that there will never be a way out. To say so is total discrimination against those people. Pro-choicers coming across someone who was making fun of a poor person and saying their life sucks or they shouldn't be alive or anything of the sort TOTALLY would call that person out on being prejudiced against poor people. To those that may have abusive parents, that DOES NOT mean they absolutely, positively, will have horrible lives and no good can come out of their lives or that they will want to die or wish they would have never been born. For those whose parents did not want them., or were conceived in rape and the mother is remembered by the rape, that DOES NOT mean their parents will be horrible to them or they are destined to live horrible lives. Plus, there are still people choosing to keep their babies on purpose, even if they weren't planned, aren't necessarily wanted, are poor, are single parents etc. so really, you wouldn't get your world of all these people being aborted anyway, and you would have to force people to abort and take away their choice in order to do so. To those that think we should kill off babies in the womb because they *may* have not so perfect lives, well first of all, life sucks in general, no one has that great of a life, but it is still worth living for a lot of people, and second of all I would counter "Then why don't you go and kill the ones who are going through lives like that right now if you think it's so evil for people to not be doing that?"</div>
Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-63589874040068261222014-05-20T02:00:00.002-07:002014-05-20T02:13:41.285-07:00Pro-choicers value their "beliefs" over science<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
Ironically, while pro-choicers tend to assume that any pro-lifer is religious or tell them to "keep their religion out of it" even if they didn't even mention religion, their main arguments are much more religious and faith-based.<br />
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"Well I just don't believe it's a baby/child/human/human being/alive/life/person", "Life begins when the mother feels like it." "We don't know when life begins/there's no consensus/there's a debate going on/we all have our beliefs on this" More often than not, you will have pro-choicers arguing this. This is often coming from my fellow people who claim to love science and say that beliefs should be left out of things and we should look at facts. The great thing about science is that it is true whether or not you believe in it, <a href="http://www.abort73.com/abortion/medical_testimony/">and</a> it <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFrVmDgh4v4">most</a> definitely <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0WM9oRr07w">does</a> say <a href="http://www.ehd.org/dev_article_unit1.php#fertilization">that</a> the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_fertilization">unborn</a> are <a href="http://www.ehd.org/pdf/BPD%204-26-2006%20English.pdf">individual</a> living human beings. You can't have your "beliefs" in this area. Science will tell you what is alive and a being and all that. I could just as easily say "Well I don't "believe" YOU are alive" but that wouldn't make sense as that's not how it works. Even pro-choice leaders have said things like this, like the president of NARAL, Ilyse Hogue, and the president of Planned Parenthood, Cecile Richards, <a href="http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/shocking-video-planned-parenthood-reps-tell-students-to-ignore-science-abou/">and others who work for them straight up belittling and telling people to ignore science</a>, and MSNBC's Melissa Harris-Perry (though luckily there are some <a href="http://www.abort73.com/abortion/medical_testimony/">pro-choice advocates</a> and <a href="http://clinicquotes.com/category/quotes/abortion-is-killing/">abortion doctors</a> alike that admit it's another living human being that is different from the woman and abortion is killing it.) If you're going to advocate for science, you can't be cherry-picking like the people you criticize for doing the same with the bible. I also have an earlier post going into more detail of how the pro-choice side hides and denies facts <a href="http://riotgrrrlsforlifeprolife.blogspot.com/2013/08/intellectual-dishonesty-in-pro-choice.html">here</a></div>
Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-17518506982356991042014-05-20T01:39:00.000-07:002014-05-20T01:39:06.318-07:00Why "Men can't have an opinion" and "Keep the government out of it!" are hypocritical arguments.<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
I'm sure we've all heard these arguments before. The, "Well you're a man, so you can't (have an opinion/speak about it/vote on it/even think about it) because you have no uterus and don't know what it's like to be a woman!" type of arguments are flawed when it comes to people whoa re pro-choice, because, guess what, NARAL was founded by 2 men originally, and only 1 of the 5 founders was a woman, and MEN passed Roe V. Wade, and MEN are abortion doctors, and yes MEN are pro-choice and vote as such. You (I'm talking about the pro-choicers that are like this of course) only seem to care about this if it is pro-life men. Where are all the people screaming at pro-choice men, "No uterus, no opinion!"? Same goes for the "government should stay out of it" argument. It was the GOVERNMENT that wrote in laws saying you could get an abortion in the first place. If you don't want the government in it, reject Roe V. Wade, and all other laws saying women have the right to choose abortion, and government officials who are pro-choice or vote that way.<br />
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The whole "No uterus, no opinion" thing is stupid and obviously sexist, and this is coming from a woman who does have a uterus. It's taking something about that person and saying that because of it, they don't get to have a voice. It's not like anyone would say a woman can't have an opinion on or talk about circumcision just because we don't have penises, and if anyone ever did, everyone would be crying "Sexist!" Same goes for a number of things. No one would say that white people can't talk about how bad owning slaves is just because they aren't black, and can't properly "understand". Perhaps they did say that in the day though, but now everyone would think that is stupid. People aren't defined by their race or gender or whatever else. To say they can't understand it because they don't belong to that group is even furthering the separation of groups.<br />
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The funny thing is that while it apparently only applies to pro-life men, much in the same way they are "pro-choice" yet don't let anyone choose to be pro-life, the statement itself is only based off of gender and not content of their views. Everyone has to be like them. Frankly, if they think a man is saying something stupid about abortion, the fact that they are saying something stupid should be enough. They could just say, "Well that's ridiculous and makes no sense", but instead they opt for the ad hominems, which always is a cue to other people that they honestly have no idea how to argue that so they look for something else to argue. Do they say "You're not a woman, so quit talking!" to men saying they think a woman has the right to choose or people should stay out of it? No they do not. I wonder what they would say if they saw someone yelling at a pro-choice man who is talking about how he thinks women should get to choose what they want, "You don't have a uterus, so you don't get an opinion! So shut up!" One would wonder why these men would want to be part of a group that doesn't allow their gender to speak, have an opinion, or make laws depending on their viewpoint anyway. Also, some women don't have uteruses. Don't pro-choice men hate the whole, "Only women are allowed to talk about this" aspect of it? Not to mention it actually is sexist against women as well because you are making it out to be a "woman's thing."</div>
Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-20758309006402686542014-05-20T00:40:00.000-07:002017-10-20T13:58:24.690-07:00Taking Back Bodily Autonomy<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
I have always been SUPER pro-bodily-autonomy/integrity and freedom of choice. My main philosophy in life has always been that you should be able to do whatever you want, whatsoever, as long as it doesn't hurt another body besides your own. This is exactly why I am against abortion. Bodily autonomy/integrity is why most pro-lifers are against abortion. If there wasn't another body that was being threatened or we didn't care about the body being threatened, we wouldn't be pro-life and there wouldn't be a problem. We'd say "Yeah sure violate and kill the unborn's body, it's not like I care what others do to bodies that aren't their own!" Get a hysterectomy, sure, but there is no greater threat to bodily autonomy than abortion. The right to bodily autonomy fits so much better with the pro-life side.<br />
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The thing about pro-choicers is that they don't really understand bodily autonomy. They think it's absolute (they seem to forget the "as long as you don't hurt another body" part of it, and there are <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/prolife/comments/3gvsrn/times_when_we_prioritize_life_over_bodily_autonomy/">many</a> situations in which it is not absolute, such as helmet or other safety laws, drugs being illegal, or illegal in certain circumstances such as for those under a certain age, being taken away on a 5150 and forced in a mental hospital and watched to make sure you don't kill yourself, someone can't neglect their child and refuse to feed it because they don't want to use their arms to give it food (Refusing your child nutrients and survival because you don't want your uterus to go to this is basically the same. Children also have the right to not be neglected, and depriving the child of resources it needs to live, even if it wasn't wanted or planned or is an "inconvenience", is still neglect and still wrong) or kill or hurt their child if they wrapped themselves around your leg for instance and you can't get them off without doing so, and various other circumstances (regardless of whether or not you agree with them, they exist legally)), they think right to life can never come before it (right to life comes before at least most things as it is the ultimate threat against someone (and if you're an Atheist like me, you should really believe in it, as life is ALL we have, and without life, all other rights are meaningless as we wouldn't be alive to be able to use them, and this is why they put life first in "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness", and it's almost like a lot of them don't even think right to life is a thing, because if bodily autonomy always exists in the context of "even if someone dies" as so many of them like to argue, then you can go around killing people an excuse it by saying "Well it was my body doing the killing so you can't do anything about it because bodily autonomy" ), when talking about abortion, they act like the only thing to bodily autonomy is whether or not you allow someone to use your organs (there's much more which I'll explain), and they think forget about the unborn's bodily autonomy because the woman's autonomy is the only thing we should really care about etc.<br />
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Now essentially bodily autonomy has a few different things to it (and no not all of them are legal.) It means you can do whatever you want to or with your body (get tattoos or piercings or body mods, take drugs, be a stripper or prostitute, have sex whatever way you want it however much you want it with whomever you want (unless they are underage or someone else non-consenting) refuse to shave or wear makeup etc.), no one can do anything to your body without consent or invade the personal space of your body (think of rape, molestation, inflicting pain or injury, even just touching someone without them wanting you to etc.), and yeah having control over your organs is part of it, but the main thing is that no one can hurt or kill your body without consent (this is actually sort of related to right to life as someone being killed means their body was killed and hurt to the utmost extreme, so they aren't even mutually exclusive in the first place). You get to be in charge of your body, and no one else can ever hurt it (unless you're into that sort of thing and it's completely consensual ). <br />
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Of course according to science, the unborn is another individual living human being and different body than the mother. The unborn's bodily autonomy is the one being threatened here as the act in question is abortion and the unborn is the one being aborted, not the woman. Abortion is forcing death (and various things with the various types, such as dismemberment which is also obviously a great threat to bodily autonomy) on it without it consenting and having a choice in the matter. That is the biggest threat to bodily autonomy.<br />
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Now trust me, I get that the woman has autonomy too and she might not want to be pregnant and share her body with the unborn. Talking about the unborn's right to bodily autonomy and right to life DOES NOT mean we think little of the woman's right to bodily autonomy (remember I'm a super liberal and radical feminist, super pro-bodily rights type, so don't use that stupid "they all just hate women and want to take away their bodily autonomy" misconception on me). I am female, I live with thinking about what it is like to be pregnant all the time, BUT abortion is still a greater threat to bodily autonomy. Someone hurting or killing someone else's body is obviously a greater threat than someone using someone else's organ to stay alive. Also the unborn has two violations pushed on them (right to life and bodily autonomy) vs. the woman's one.<br />
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Abortion being the greater threat to bodily autonomy is true even more so for various reasons. It is completely innocent in the matter, it could not have consented or chosen to be there, and it is already there before a woman can find out she is pregnant or an abortion can take place. It did not "take over the woman's uterus without consent" as it could never have consented to that, and comparisons like that imply intent, but it never could have made a conscious decision to do something like that or even be aware of what it was doing. Just like newborns and toddlers can't be held responsible for certain actions because they couldn't have consented to it or realized what they were doing (from needing to be fed down to more serious things like accidentally hurting someone) the unborn is purely innocent. It can't consent to being killed either, just like infants outside of the womb couldn't consent to being killed so since it's not legal to do that, it doesn't make sense to allow someone to do it to the unborn (other examples of how bodily autonomy still applies to those who aren't aware to be able to consent either way is how women who have passed out can't consent to having sex, so doing that to her is rape, or sleepwalkers can't consent to sleepwalking, yet they also can't consent to being killed). Usually people know that things like circumcision or piercing a baby's ears are against it's bodily autonomy, yet some of them do a 180 when it comes to abortion. Those aborting specifically decide to do so and DID consent and make a conscious decision. The abortion is a direct an conscious action on someone. The unborn being there was there by the actions of the woman and man, or in case of rape man and woman's body. It happens to be using her uterus because that is how science works and the only home it has. Once again, it didn't "force itself into her and take her uterus hostage." Other analogies I've heard are ones like you can't drag an unconscious person into your home and then shoot them because you want them to leave *or something like that*, and extensions of that.<br />
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Want of womb empty is definitely not an adequate excuse to literally, purposefully, consciously, and actively kill someone who already happens to be there and by natural circumstances made by other people/bodies, especially those who are the ones wanting to kill them, and without their own consent to be there or a conscious choice made, who is the most innocent out of anyone innocent ever. Anyone for bodily autonomy should be pro-life above all else. No one is saying they should get more rights, we're just saying give them actual equal rights, which pro-choicers don't seem to understand. Someone's rights to their own body stops where another's begins, and we know that that is at conception.<br />
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Also I never liked the "kidney transplant" type of analogies. Abortion is different than refusing to give someone an organ or something like that as that hasn't already happened and when someone gives an organ, part of them is gone forever and put into someone else, whereas with the unborn, it is only using the woman's uterus and only for 9 months and she gets to keep it in her, and it is already there and happening by the time she finds out, and she will have it back to herself in months. Also, one might say that if a parent were the one to make their child's organ non-functioning, they should be obligated to give them theirs, or if someone already had an organ transplant, they shouldn't be allowed to take it back (which is actually an actual thing. You can't take it back once they are already using the organ, let alone take tools to dismember and kill them, and the unborn is already using the organ) and anyone can also refuse to take an organ, and if they don't they agree and make a conscious decision to take someone's organ, but the unborn can't refuse to use the uterus, and like I said before didn't make the choice to use it in the first place, and then there is the difference between actively killing and letting die, but even beyond all of that, I'm sure even the most pro-choice people still think very poorly of those who just flat out refuse to give someone an organ if they really need it.</div>
Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-60451673377494899752013-11-09T22:40:00.000-08:002013-11-09T22:42:08.373-08:00The big dilemma with how we view pro-choicers<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
So I've mentioned this before, but a lot of pro-choicers honestly don't know scientific facts, or aren't aware of other choices, or have people lying to them about the whole thing. Perhaps this actually makes them seem better, as it may not be their fault, and maybe they aren't the big bad people that want to kill babies but rather are just confused people who are uninformed as their side and society have pulled the wool over their eyes. Then again, maybe it's worse as they should know better and stand up against those trying to convince them of it. On the other hand, in a certain way that's better than then saying "Yeah we know it's a human being, but we don't care, people should be allowed to kill them anyway", and yet recently I came to the conclusion that one of the worst things about the pro-choice side is the fact that they spew so many scientifically illiterate things, and at the very least, if we got rid of all the "it isn't alive" "it's just an appendage of the mother" "it isn't human" garbage and all pro-choicers were just "yeah we recognize that it's a living human being but we think that mothers should have the right to do away with them" then life would be so much better, because at least they wouldn't be spewing unscientific crap that makes us think they are really just trying to justify it all with their bigotry, or perhaps they were wronged, or this will only help to further brainwash that side into actually believing all of that, and maybe that would be a step in the right direction as that big brainwashing mechanism which is the reason for a lot of people being pro-choice would be taken away from them and it could lead to less people being pro-choice. <br />
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So I guess what I'm saying is that this seems like a bit of a predicament. I'm sure it's also an area for lots of different sides and viewpoints in the pro-life side. You also have the pro-choicers who know it's killing and admit it and say there's nothing wrong with it and maybe wouldn't mind doing it, or people that act like it's great, like closer to your pro-abortion people, who on the one hand seem horrible, but on the other hand at least are more consistent and honest than their counterparts who are "personally pro-life" and think that abortion is a horrible thing, but think that we can't tell women to not do it, even though we don't do that with anything else, such as murder in general or rape.<br />
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The abortion doctors who know it is a human being and baby and life and they are killing it are great because it will help people understand these things and we can say "see, even they know it", but then are horrible because they are ACTUALLY fine with killing. The person who blatantly describes abortion like it is infanticide is horrible for being ok with that, but necessary for showing people that it IS infanticide. The person who honestly believes they are supporting women's rights by being pro-choice and doesn't realize the humanity of the unborn, and normally wouldn't hurt a fly, is better for being that type of person, but bad because they are supporting the stereotypes and a culture that hurts our young, but then that is split up into who was the one who wronged them and actually made them think that, as well as why on earth didn't they have the sense to realize that that is obvious bull and they should think for themselves? <br />
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It's hard. My empathy censors are going in all sorts of directions and I just don't know how to feel. Sometimes I want to hug those who actually think it's "just a clump of cells" and dehumanize, as I know they were brainwashed into believing that, and other times I hate that they are like that, and probably have convinced other people that that is actually true, as they even said it and are telling people that, and that's how it keeps spreading.</div>
Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-30352307277225412162013-10-01T02:11:00.000-07:002015-09-11T01:27:58.510-07:00Feminist pro-choicers being open to the fact that feminists are diverse in every way, except not abortion<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
While I will always consider myself a feminist, it seems to have been taken over by a pro-abortion stance, with some people claiming that if you are pro-life, you can't be a feminist, as abortion rights is what feminism is about. Yet feminists usually tend to agree that you can be feminist and have a wide array of stances on a wide array of issues. We know that feminists can be sex-positive, sex-negative, pro-porn, anti-porn, pro-BDSM, anti-BDSM, choose to wear makeup, choose to not wear makeup, choose to shave their legs, choose to not shave their legs, choose to wear dresses, choose to not wear dresses, choose to be mothers, choose to never have kids, choose to get married, choose to never get married, choose to be housewives, choose to be career women, more concerned with feminism in the workplace, more concerned with intersectionality, choose to go from a woman's body to a man's body, choose to go from a man's body to a woman's body, feminists who are nerds, feminists who are rockers, feminists who are gamers, feminists who are outdoorsy, feminists who are nudists, feminists who are athletes, feminists who are artists, feminists who are business people, feminists who are mothers, feminists who are stay at home dads, feminists who are of all races, all countries, all faiths and none, all ages, all genders, all sexual orientations, all sizes, all shapes, who have all disabilities, all diseases, all interests, all political ideologies, have to overcome all challenges, feminists who are this and that and the other and everything in between. So why is it different for the abortion stance? You're not letting anyone choose to be pro-life. That's not very "pro-choice." After all, Feminism started off pro-life. Apparently the people who started feminism in the first place, wouldn't be considered feminist by these people. Since they created and defined feminism to begin with, there must not be such a thing as feminism. Feminist pro-lifers aren't going anywhere. There are many <a href="http://feministsforlife.com/">pro-life feminist groups</a>. You'll have to learn to accept it eventually.<br />
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To make it all about abortion is very limiting. You are throwing away all this good that can be done to make the sexes equal and help people not be judged by or have disadvantages because of their gender, all for the sake of trying to keep ONE thing around and say that ONLY people who believe in that ONE thing are good people, or adequate enough to call themselves something. THIS is one of the reasons why feminism is looked down upon, and many feminists don't realize they are feminists. Feminists themselves are making other feminists think they aren't feminists because they have pro-life views. We all hate how much people don't realize they are feminist. We all know the "Well I'm not a feminist, I just believe in (insert what feminists believe in)" circumstance that happens ALL the time, so why do that TO them? If they are feminist besides that, why wouldn't you HATE it if they didn't realize they were feminist, just like you do with people who do that in general? Feminism DOES NOT equal abortion.<br />
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Not only that but it really shows a lack of priorities. There are so many things wrong with the world, wrong with gender discrimination, wrong with women being raped and killed and this and that just for being women, and you are more concerned about women having a right to abortion? SERIOUSLY? Not to mention the females BEING KILLED IN THE WOMB JUST FOR BEING FEMALES!! But oh wait, you say we have to support that because a woman can choose no matter what, or let's just ignore it because it'll hurt our pro-choice movement. There are also women being FORCED or COERCED into abortions, but oh wait, we have to keep it legal for the greater good, all the bad things that come with it be damned. Not to mention all the women who regret abortion and have PTSD and suicidal thoughts and tendencies, or who have actually killed themselves because of it, but oh wait, we need it legal, and we need people to be pro-choice, so let's just ignore them and say they don't exist and it's all lies, <a href="http://www.teenbreaks.com/abortion/abortionhome.cfm">even</a> <a href="http://teenabortionissues.com/">though</a> <a href="http://silentnomoreawareness.org/testimonies/index.aspx">you</a> <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1579455/Artist-hanged-herself-after-aborting-her-twins.html">can</a> <a href="http://www.lifenews.com/2013/08/12/i-deeply-regret-my-abortions-and-will-be-a-voice-for-my-babies-now/">hear</a> <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/07/my-mother-regretted-her-abortion/277722/">their</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuhN_P8ma2wkzs5qg567nYf_f9MLgarMQ&feature=mh_lolz">stories</a> everywhere, so that we can keep abortion. Some people are going to be casualties, right? All of that really shows a lack of caring about women.</div>
Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-70974918034334779592013-09-25T17:50:00.000-07:002020-05-23T18:51:26.449-07:00Margaret Sanger (Planned Parenthood founder) was pro-life<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
Likewise, so was Marie Stopes (the namesake of the UK version of Planned Parenthood) which I will talk about after Margaret)<br />
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So I heard about this from one of the people who posted on my <a href="https://www.facebook.com/RiotGrrrlsForLifeProlife">Riot Grrrls For Life Pro-Life</a> facebook page when I first started it. She mentioned that Margaret Sanger was pro-life and she really liked her, and so at first I was shocked, as I had assumed that she was the queen of abortion, as that's what everyone, pro-lifers and pro-choicers alike, make it seem like, and what with her being the founder of the main voice for pro-choice, I guess I assumed it like everyone else does. So I start to look it up, not knowing what to expect, and it turns out, she was right. She hated abortion for several reasons and has a lot of good pro-life quotes. I found <a href="http://livelydust.blogspot.com/2011/07/what-margaret-sanger-really-said-about.html?m=1">this</a> link talking about how that one infanticide quote was totally taken out of context, and what she really said about abortion and infanticide, and how she often linked abortion, infanticide, and child abandonment together, calling them all "horrors" and the like, and other things like that, and <a href="http://www.redstate.com/2013/01/23/what-did-margaret-sanger-think-about-abortion/">this</a> link that said the same stuff and gave more quotes. You can actually go to her book Woman and the New Race from there as it links it, or hey I'll just give it to you <a href="http://www.bartleby.com/1013/2.html">here</a>, and it is written all over how much she hates abortion and infanticide and other things like that. Also, you can look at her <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Abortion">wikipedia page</a>. Some pro-choicers will try to brush it off like it doesn't matter or she was only against abortion because of how dangerous it is to pregnant women, but she clearly has said at least a few times that it was because it was the taking of a life, so I'm sure it was for both reasons.<br />
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In fact, Planned Parenthood pamphlets used to advocate against abortion, saying "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make you sterile so that if you want a child you cannot have it. Birth control merely postpones the beginning of life." I guess the phrase "every child a wanted child" was first only meant in reference to birth control as well, since it says that on there too. <a href="http://clinicquotes.com/planned-parenthood-abortion-kills-the-life-of-a-baby/">Here</a> <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2261931/posts">are links</a> <a href="http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2010/mar/10031609">I found</a> <a href="http://liveaction.org/blog/planned-parenthood-1952-abortion-kills-baby/">for that</a>.<br />
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I'm not saying she was a good person, and I'm not saying she wasn't racist or for eugenics (though honestly I don't know), but I am saying that everything like that she was for, was only with wanting to prevent them before conception so that no one was killing any human beings. She worked to secure birth control in part to get rid of abortions and infanticide. She knew that it was the taking of a life, so she wanted to take care of the situation before that happened. She seems like one of those people who is both good and bad. Some things about them you love, and others you hate. It did at least give me more respect for her, because in researching this, I found that I liked a lot of what she wrote.<br />
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They added abortion to Planned Parenthood after her death, and I'm sure that's why everyone assumes it, and no one corrects people. I'm sure if more people knew their founder worked to get rid of abortion, less people would support PP, or there would be some sort of outrage, and so they probably keep it under wraps. Also, the more conservative and religious pro-lifers really like to paint her as the queen of abortion and infanticide, and I have even posted that she was pro-life on a few pro-life pages, and they argued with me and tried to act like it wasn't true, and one even blocked me, even though I didn't do anything other than simply state that and post those links. So, funny enough the pro-life side is also fueling this false info, when really they could be using the fact that she was pro-life to say it's disrespectful that Planned Parenthood have abortion services. Or like that first link from the livelydust blog states, "<span style="background-color: #fefdfa; color: #333333; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 20px;">And anyway, why would pro-lifers want to base a campaign against abortion on misinformation? Why not just sweetly point out that Planned Parenthood's founder called abortion a horror and devoted her life to making it unnecessary?"</span><br />
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We really should be doing that. Why bother to keep pushing a lie just because it makes someone look like they support abortion, when the people who support her already do, when you could be telling the truth and saying that even the woman pro-choicers love and celebrate as the leader of women owning their bodies and reproductive rights, was against this?<br />
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Here are some of her quotes:<br />
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"<span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;">Although abortion may be resorted to in order to save the life of the mother, </span><strong style="background-color: #f8f8f8; border: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: Georgia, Century, Times, serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-align: justify;">the practice of it merely for limitation of offspring is dangerous and vicious. I bring up the subject here only because some ill-informed persons have the notion that when we speak of birth control we include abortion as a method</strong><span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;">.</span><strong style="background-color: #f8f8f8; border: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: Georgia, Century, Times, serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-align: justify;"> We certainly do not.</strong><span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;"> Abortion destroys the already fertilized ovum or the embryo; contraception, as I have carefully explained, prevents the fertilizing of the ovum by keeping the male cells away. Thus it prevents the beginning of life."</span><br />
<span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;">- In her paper "Birth Control Advances: A Reply to the Pope"</span><br />
<span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;"><br /></span>
<span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;">"</span><span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;">To each group we explained simply what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not begun."</span><br />
<span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;">- In her autobiography</span><br />
<span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;"><br /></span>
<span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;">"</span><span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;">Human society must protect its children–yes, but prenatal care is most essential! The child-to-be, as yet not called into being, has rights no less imperative."</span><br />
<span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;">- In her paper "The Children's Era"</span><br />
<span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;"><br /></span>
<span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;">"</span><span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;">While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization."</span><br />
<span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;">- In her paper "Birth Control or Abortion?"</span><br />
<span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;"><br /></span>
<span style="background-color: #f8f8f8; color: #333333; font-family: "georgia" , "century" , "times" , serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; text-align: justify;">"</span><span style="background-color: #fefdfa; color: #333333; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 20px;">"It is apparent </span><span style="background-color: #fefdfa; color: #333333; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 20px;">that nothing short of contraceptives can put an end to the horrors of abortion and infanticide"</span><br />
<span style="background-color: #fefdfa; color: #333333; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 20px;"> - In her book "Woman and the New Race" page 25</span><br />
<span style="background-color: #fefdfa; color: #333333; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 20px;"><br /></span>
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;">"</span><span style="background-color: white; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;">[It is] the most barbaric method [of family planning], the killing of babies — infanticide — abortion."</span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;">- In her paper "My Fight for Birth Control</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: #fefdfa; color: #333333; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 20px;">"</span><span style="background-color: white; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;">Usually this desire [for family limitation] has been laid to economic pressure... It has asserted itself among the rich and among the poor, among the intelligent and the unintelligent. It has been manifested in such horrors as infanticide, child abandonment and abortion."</span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;">- In her book "Woman and the New Race" </span><br />
<span style="background-color: #fefdfa; color: #333333; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 20px;"><br /></span><span style="background-color: white; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;">"When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become the foundation of a new race. There will be no killing of babies in the womb by abortion, nor through neglect in foundling homes, nor will there be infanticide."</span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 13px;">- In her book "Woman and the New Race" page 232</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px;">It makes sense that Margaret Sanger was pro-life as all the feminists of the time were.</span></span><br /><br /><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px;">Marie Stopes was likewise one of these pro-life feminists who worked to further birth control yet had the biggest abortion facility named after her after her death. From </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Stopes#Abortion_views" style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px;">her wikipedia</a><span style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px;">,</span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px;">"</span></span></span><span style="background-color: white; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;">Stopes was strongly against the termination of a pregnancy once it had started: her clinics did not offer abortions during her life. She saw birth control as the only way families should limit their size.</span><br />
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The nurses at her clinic had to sign a declaration in which they swore not to "impart any information or lend any assistance whatsoever to any person calculated to lead to the destruction <i>in utero</i>of the products of conception."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-50" style="line-height: 1em; unicode-bidi: -webkit-isolate;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Stopes#cite_note-50" style="background-image: none; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; color: #0b0080; text-decoration: none; white-space: nowrap;">[50]</a></sup></div>
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When she learned that one of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Manhattan" style="background-image: none; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; color: #0b0080; text-decoration: none;" title="Avro Manhattan">Avro Manhattan</a>'s woman friends had had an abortion, Stopes accused him of "murdering" the unborn child.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-51" style="line-height: 1em; unicode-bidi: -webkit-isolate;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Stopes#cite_note-51" style="background-image: none; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; color: #0b0080; text-decoration: none; white-space: nowrap;">[51]</a></sup></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: sans-serif;"><a href="http://www.lifenews.com/2013/06/22/there-is-no-doubt-the-early-feminists-were-pro-life-on-abortion/">http://www.lifenews.com/2013/06/22/there-is-no-doubt-the-early-feminists-were-pro-life-on-abortion/</a></span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: sans-serif;">"</span><span style="background-color: white; font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px;">‘I was glad you gave space to the fact that the Queensland Medical Association is planning an extensive educational campaign against the evil of abortion.’ – </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Stopes" style="background-color: white; color: #154e70; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px;" target="_blank">Marie Stopes</a><span style="background-color: white; font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px;">. (When Stopes found out that her contemporary Avro Manhattan had pressured one of his lovers into having an abortion, she called him a murderer to his face. And when William Carpenter named his abortion shop after her, she took legal action against him. But today, the largest abortion business in the UK bears her name since it was founded in 1976, eighteen years after her death.)"</span></div>
Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-73280963818832084622013-09-16T02:14:00.000-07:002014-05-20T23:38:04.225-07:00The Pro-Choice side is based on lies<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
So from searching all of this stuff and trying to find like-minded people, I have found the history on why and how pro-life turned from being a liberal and feminist thing to pro-choice being a liberal and feminist thing, and it turns out, it is all based off of shysters lying to people and them being gullible and eating it up, hook, line, and sinker. I found this article, <a href="http://www.meehanreports.com/whyliberals.htm">Why Liberals Should Defend the Unborn</a>, that explains that a lot of what turned liberals pro-choice was the eugenicists and population controllers, and they went and campaigned for abortion, saying that poor women should have access to what rich women had, and framing abortion as a matter of justice to the poor, and there is even a scary quote by Alan Guttmacher, the president of Planned Parenthood, "If you're going to curb population", he said, "it's extremely important not to have it done by the damned Yankee, but by the UN. Because the thing is, then it is not considered genocide. If the united states goes to the black man or the yellow man and says slow down your reproductive rate, we're immediately suspected to have ulterior motives to keep the white man dominant in the world. If you can send in a colorful UN force, you've got much better leverage." In addition to that, the article says it was also the lies about when life begins and abortion and so on the Roe case told, which you can read more about in this new book detailing all of that, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594036926/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1594036926&linkCode=as2&tag=jdc1234-20">Abuse of Discretion: The Inside Story of Roe v. Wade</a>, and that's in addition to the lies they told about what the women in those cases wanted, which I will get to later on in this post, people being led astray by institutions and people they relied on, people being gullible and not going with their own better instincts and bothering to think about how this issue betrayed their key principles, the gloomy European ideologies left over from the 1800s and early 1900s which were more rigid and less hopeful than early American views and liberal views which tended to be pretty optimist and idealist, and that also helped to turn the feminism of the 60s pro-choice, and Karl Marx's materialism and an essay that Friedrich Engels wrote that was hostile toward marriage and indifferent to children, Sigmund Freud's sexual theories making people assume sexual restraint is psychologically harmful, and the sexual revolution of the 60s that treated children as unwanted byproducts of sex.<br />
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While I love the sexual revolution and do think that too much sexual restraint is harmful, I could see it being too careless that way and making people think that they don't have to take care of the outcomes of sex as much. I think we can come to a place where we value everyone's sexuality and let them do whatever they want that way, but realize there are consequences and real adults take care of them. It came second nature to me. I have always known sex was incredibly natural and supported things like prostitution as long as all are consenting adults and there was no sex trafficking, and polygamy as long as there is no sexism, and sex whatever way you want it, with whomever you want (of course as long as all are consenting adult humans), and however much you want, yet of course there would be things to look out for such as pregnancy and STDs, so I never guessed people would actually advocate for opting out of their responsibilities. We know there are so many consequences to so many things, yet no one has a problem taking responsibility with anything else, lest they be considered a very immature person who isn't doing what they should.<br />
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<a href="http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/nvp/consistent/meehan_progressive.html">Here</a> is another article that explains how the left adopted abortion. I'll just pull out quotes that give a good summary of the reasons. "<span style="background-color: white;">One factor was the popular civil libertarian rationale for freedom of choice in abortion. Many feminists presented it as a right of women to control their own bodies." "</span><span style="background-color: white;">Unfortunately, many liberals and radicals accepted this view without further question." "</span><span style="background-color: white;">Class issues provided another rationale. In the late 1960s, liberals were troubled by evidence that rich women could obtain abortions regardless of the law, by going to careful society doctors or countries where abortion was legal. Why, they asked, should poor women be barred from something the wealthy could have?" "</span><span style="background-color: white;">Many liberals were also persuaded by a church/state argument that followed roughly this line: "Opposition to abortion is a religious viewpoint, particularly a Catholic viewpoint. The Catholics have no business imposing their religious views on the rest of us."" "</span><span style="background-color: white;">Still another, more emotional reason is that so many conservatives oppose abortion. Many liberals have difficulty accepting the idea that Jesse Helms can be right about anything. I do not quite understand this attitude. Just by the law of averages, he has to be right about something, sometime. Standing at the March for Life rally at the U.S. Capitol last year, and hearing Senator Helms say that "We reject the philosophy that life should be only for the planned, the perfect, or the privileged," I thought he was making a good civil-rights statement. </span><span style="background-color: white;">If much of the leadership of the pro-life movement is right-wing, that is due largely to the default of the Left. We "little people" who marched against the war and now march against abortion would like to see leaders of the Left speaking out on behalf of the unborn. But we see only a few, such as Dick Gregory, Mark Hatfield, Jesse Jackson, Richard Neuhaus, Mary Rose Oakar. Most of the others either avoid the issue or support abortion."</span><br />
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I also found a video, <a href="http://vimeo.com/9031412">The Feminist Case Against Abortion</a>, where Serrin Foster explains that the reason why feminism ended up taking a pro-choice stance was that Lawrence Lader and Dr. Bernard Nathanson were going around the country, and first seen as pariah, trying to tell people that women should have the right to abort. No one was buying it and there wasn't really an outcry for women to have abortions, but they tried all sorts of tactics and slogans and made up a whole bunch of lies to try and convince people that we need this. They came to Betty Friedan, who was the leader of the National Organization of Women, and the one who wrote The Feminine Mystique, and even she wasn't buying it at first, and her book didn't even have anything about abortion in it until after all this happened, but what really got her was them making up a number saying 100,000 women had died from illegal abortions, and they painted it as a civil rights issue, so she got on board thinking she had to legalize it to make it safe - a common misconception that still is around today. To this day, there has never been any documentation of more than 83 or 89 women who have died from illegal abortions, and if people actually thought about it, they would realize how false the 100,000 number was, as there weren't enough women who had died from causes other than those who were already accounted for, to account for that many deaths by abortion, but people just fell for it and didn't use their common sense. So it wasn't even until 1966 that the National Organization for Women included abortion in its list of goals, and even then it was really not a big priority. It just grew from there, and since then, the National Organization for Women has made legalized abortion it's #1 priority, even stating that access to abortion is the most fundamental right of women, without which, all other rights are meaningless.<br />
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In fact, <a href="http://riotgrrrlsforlifeprolife.blogspot.com/2013/09/margaret-sanger-planned-parenthood.html">Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood was pro-life</a>, and Planned Parenthood actually used to advocate against abortions. Here is an old pamphlet of theirs, stating "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make you sterile so that if you want a child you cannot have it. Birth control merely postpones the beginning of life."<br />
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Bernard and Larry were trying to think of what women want and what the movement was about, to try and persuade them that they needed and wanted this, so they figured it was equality in the workplace and education, and one of the ways they framed it was by telling women that if they wanted to be hired, educated, promoted, and payed like a man, they can't bother the poor employer with maternity and fertility issues.--The employer shouldn't be burdened with your fertility. You'r tummy's gonna ache for the first trimester and you'll feel sick and won't want to go to work, and then you'll want to have time off to have the baby, and then the baby will get ill with something, so you'll disrupt the workplace even more by taking time off when your kid gets sick.-- To this day, women still don't have adequate care for being pregnant or mothers, especially in the workplace, and now I know it is because of this. We need more help to get rid of all that. Women in America still don't have a federal paid maternity leave. These are the reasons people say abortion should be available. They don't need abortion, they need these things fixed.<br />
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Abortion proponents promised the women's movement all sorts of good things to further persuade them; that there would be this world of equality, and reduced poverty, even though the term "feminization of poverty" was coined after Roe V. Wade, and that every child would be a wanted child, because hey, we'll just get rid of the unwanted ones, and they won't bother us (which obviously doesn't happen because no matter how unwanted a child is, even if someone totally believes in abortion, it doesn't mean they will have one, and there are still other options that even the most pro-choice people could choose, not to mention that obviously not everyone would think abortion is ok in the first place, no matter how badly pro-choice people would want it, so you can't get rid of other people's unwanted children like that.). This also seemed to be popular in the eugenics crowd. They thought that if you just get rid of poor people and unwanted people and defective people, all the world's problems would be solved. It definitely isn't that easy. Instead of this world of non-violence, child abuse has escalated in every developed country where there is legalized abortion. Rather than shared responsibility for children, even more of the responsibility of children has shifted to women, do to the pro-choice side's "It's a woman's choice" anthem which really put all the pressure on women to make decisions regarding their offspring, and cultured a world where girls grew up thinking they had to take it all on their shoulders or else they were bad women or weren't strong enough or weren't feminist enough or that's just what women do, and guys grew up thinking they had to respect their girlfriends "right to choose" and do what THEY wanted, so they tell their girls that they will support whatever THEY choose, as if men are just supposed to stay out of it and let women do their thing because they are the mothers so that's women's work, and then of course the bad men taking advantage of this and using it as an excuse to get out of taking care of children. The #1 cause of death for pregnant women isn't abortion, it isn't even on the map, it's being beaten to death by their boyfriends who don't want them pregnant. You have schools and colleges who don't allow women or teenage girls to complete their education if they have a child. You have employers today who do not have maternity coverage in their health insurance, won't accommodate women with job-sharing, flex-time, create a virtual office, or pay a living wage. College students say without housing, without daycare, without maternity coverage, it doesn't feel like they have much of a choice.<br />
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As it also turns out, it was actually the Feminists, along with what would become the American Medical Association, and the media, who worked to make abortion illegal in this country in the first place, because they were all in agreement that we needed legal protection for the unborn. I have known all the early American Feminists were pro-life for years now, but I didn't know they were the ones to make abortion illegal in the first place. 100 years later, Roe V. Wade undid everything they worked for.<br />
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In addition to that, I found <a href="http://www.teenbreaks.com/abortion/abortion-laws.cfm">this</a> link that says, "<span style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana, Ariel, Helvetica; font-size: 12px;">It was in 1827 that the discovery of "conception" revealed when human life begins. As a result, the American Medical Association (AMA) urged state legislators to pass laws protecting the unborn human "from conception" and prohibiting abortion. During the 1800's all states passed laws making abortion a serious crime." </span>and <a href="http://www.abort73.com/abortion/medical_testimony/">this</a> link that says "<span style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px;">The American Medical Association (AMA) declared as far back as 1857 (referenced in the </span><em style="background-color: white; border: 0px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Roe. vs. Wade</em><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px;"> opinion) that "the independent and actual existence of the child before birth, as a living being” is a matter of objective science. They deplored the “popular ignorance...that the foetus is not alive till after the period of quickening.”" </span>and given the info from Serrin's speech, it seems to fit and give more of the history of how this all went down.<br />
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Then of course you have the Roe V. Wade and Doe V. Bolton cases which were also based on lies. Roe was just a pawn used in an attorney's attempt to gain legalized abortion, and was persuaded to lie and say she was raped and needed and abortion, which was not true. She ended up not ever having an abortion. She is now a pro-life advocate vowing to spend the rest of her life undoing Roe V. Wade. Doe never even wanted nor requested an abortion, and she was tricked into signing an affidavit about abortion in the process of filing for divorce from her husband and seeking to regain custody of her other children. She to has become a pro-life spokesperson and is fighting to overturn the court cases. She actually fled the state when her mother and a lawyer tried to force her to have an abortion. She too did not end up ever having an abortion.<br />
<a href="http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/two-women-legalized-abortion-in-america-now-both-of-them-want-it-reversed">http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/two-women-legalized-abortion-in-america-now-both-of-them-want-it-reversed</a><br />
<a href="http://www.lifenews.com/2013/01/22/woman-behind-roe-v-wade-im-dedicating-my-life-to-overturning-it/?utm_content=buffer5bb9d&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer">http://www.lifenews.com/2013/01/22/woman-behind-roe-v-wade-im-dedicating-my-life-to-overturning-it/?utm_content=buffer5bb9d&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer</a><br />
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There were also <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/23/nixon-tapes-abortion-nece_n_219746.html">Nixon tapes</a> that came out a few years ago that shows that the conservative presidency of the time wasn't all that against abortion, that had this scary quote, <span style="background-color: white; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 15px; line-height: 22.8125px;">“There are times when an abortion is necessary. I know that. When you have a black and a white,”</span><br />
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Dr. Bernard Nathanson turned pro-life in the 70s after seeing an ultrasound of an abortion, and admitted all the lies he told and the story behind how they were selling abortion. He has come out with a few books, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Aborting-America-Bernard-N-Nathanson/dp/038514461X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379321554&sr=8-1&keywords=aborting+america">Aborting America</a>, and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/The-Hand-God-Journey-Abortion/dp/089526174X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1379321554&sr=8-2&keywords=aborting+america">The Hand of God: A Journey from Death to Life by the Abortion Doctor Who Changed His Mind</a>, telling his story. I'll post a few quotes where he says some of the lies and tactics they used.<br />
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<a href="http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/abortion/ab0005.html">http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/abortion/ab0005.html</a><br />
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We persuaded the media that the cause of permissive abortion was a liberal enlightened, sophisticated one. Knowing that if a true poll were taken, we would be soundly defeated, we simply fabricated the results of fictional polls. We announced to the media that we had taken polls and that 60% of Americans were in favour of permissive abortion. This is the tactic of the self-fulfilling lie. Few people care to be in the minority.</div>
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We aroused enough sympathy to sell our program of permissive abortion by fabricating the number of illegal abortions done annually in the U.S. The actual figure was approaching 100,000 but the figure we gave to the media repeatedly was 1,000,000. Repeating the big lie often enough convinces the public. The number of women dying from illegal abortions was around 200 - 250 annually. The figure constantly fed to the media was 10,000. These false figures took root in the consciousness of Americans convincing many that we needed to crack the abortion law. Another myth we fed to the public through the media was that legalizing abortion would only mean that the abortions taking place illegally would then be done legally. In fact, of course, abortion is now being used as a primary method of birth control in the U.S. and the annual number of abortions has increased by 1500% since legalization.</div>
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We systematically vilified the Catholic Church and its “socially backward ideas” and picked on the Catholic hierarchy as the villain in opposing abortion. This theme was played endlessly. We fed the media such lies as “we all know that opposition to abortion comes from the hierarchy and not from most Catholics” and “Polls prove time and again that most Catholics want abortion law reform.” And the media drum-fired all this into the American people, persuading them that anyone opposing permissive abortion must be under the influence of the Catholic hierarchy and that Catholics in favour of abortion are enlightened and forward-looking. An inference of this tactic was that there were no non-Catholic groups opposing abortion. The fact that other Christian as well as non-Christian religions were (and still are) monolithically opposed to abortion was constantly suppressed, along with pro-life atheists’ opinions.</div>
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I am often asked what made me change my mind. How did I change from prominent abortionist to pro-life advocate? In 1973, I became director of obstetrics of a large hospital in New York City and had to set up a perinatal research unit, just at the start of a great new technology which we now use every day to study the fetus in the womb. A favorite pro-abortion tactic is to insist that the definition of when life begins is impossible; that the question is a theological or moral or philosophical one, anything but a scientific one. Fetology makes it undeniably evident that life begins at conception and requires all the protection and safeguards that any of us enjoy.</div>
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Why, you may well ask, do some American doctors who are privy to the findings of fetology, discredit themselves by carrying out abortions? Simple arithmetic: at $300.00 a time 1.55 million abortions means an industry generating $500,000,000 annually, of which most goes into the pocket of the physician doing the abortion. It is clear that permissive abortion is purposeful destruction of what is undeniably human life. It is an impermissible act of deadly violence. One must concede that unplanned pregnancy is a wrenchingly difficult dilemma. But to look for its solution in a deliberate act of destruction is to trash the vast resourcefulness of human ingenuity, and to surrender the public weal to the classic utilitarian answer to social problems.</div>
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As a scientist I know, not believe, know that human life begins at conception. Although I am not a formal religionist, I believe with all my heart that there is a divinity of existence which commands us to declare a final and irreversible halt to this infinitely sad and shameful crime against humanity."<br />
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I'd like to point out that these are still around today and still just as false, and regarding the false numbers they made up saying most people supported abortion, that stigma is still working to make people believe the hype today, with <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/162548/americans-misjudge-abortion-views.aspx">this</a> gallup poll showing that most Americans falsely think that more people are pro-choice, when really it is pretty even yet actually more people are pro-life.<br />
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A lot of the false mottos and whatnot that were around in the 70s, still get spewed out today by pro-choicers. That is, after all, where all the "it's just a clump of cells" "it's not alive" "it's just a part of her body" "we need it legal so that it's safe as so many women die from illegal abortions" and so on and so forth came from. Most of the views held today by pro-choicers are false political rhetoric that their side never corrected so they had no reason to stop saying it all. We can actually pity them a bit though. Some of them honesty believe this stuff, or think they are doing the right thing, and don't realize they had the wool pulled over their eyes.<br />
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Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-25117103252384782112013-09-04T02:43:00.002-07:002013-10-05T22:05:02.555-07:00What they need are other options<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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<span style="color: #333333;">One of the most annoying things about the pro-choice side, and I have been hearing it more and more as time goes on, is that they talk about how abortion should be available because lots of women can't work and have a kid at the same time, or don't have the money to raise a kid, or can't be single mothers, and so on, so essentially they say women need abortion because the system is screwed up and there aren't perfect other choices for women.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #333333;">This is bad for several reasons. For one thing, it stops people from actually helping women and giving them these things so that they can have an excuse to say "this is why we need abortion" and for another thing, it essentially forces women to have abortions as they feel like they have no other choice. Those on the pro-choice side are usually the ones to say women only choose it when they feel like they have no other choice, yet they try so hard to make sure a bad choice that no woman ever wants to choose stays around, and especially at the expense of actually giving them other choices. They are clearly not pro-woman. When mentioning that women need abortion because sometimes they can't be, or don't think they can be working mothers, single mothers, student mothers, poor mothers etc. I try to explain to them that this is why my liberal/feminist pro-life side is in support of the other choices and social safety nets for mothers, and an overall support for motherhood, and it's weird because it seems like they've accepted it and don't care for helping those situations, but rather use it as an excuse to say, "Well see this is why abortion should be available." I don't know why Liberals or Feminists would do that, as it fits those ideologies better-and is always better-to help all the other choices instead of accepting them being faulty so that you can push your one poor choice agenda. That doesn't sound very pro-woman to me. When you have women who feel like they have no other choice than to abort, and you are using that to say, "This is why we need abortion" instead of, "This is why we need to fix the system and make sure there are so many options, and good ones at that", that sounds neither liberal nor feminist. </span><br />
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<span style="color: #333333;">It seems like a big no duh to me. "Well some mothers are poor and wouldn't be able to take care of a child"...um yeah, that's why we should tell them of all the other choices, and help make sure there are financial availabilities, and giver her some help, and give more support for being a mother, for the woman personally, and in general, so that eventually our country would have to change into one where mothers would have lots of paid maternity leave etc. and can actually easily be mothers. The fact that abortion would even come into their minds when talking about the injustices that pregnant women, mothers and children face, is rather telling. That on top of constantly acting like all people against abortion want to force the woman to raise an unwanted child (especially since most abortions aren't about the children being unwanted but the women feeling like they can't be the mothers they want to be) when there are such things as adoption and safe surrender, really make me think they only care about that one choice. If all the energy spent making sure women have the right to abort went into supporting all the other choices, and the act of being a mother in general, abortion wouldn't even be an issue.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #333333;"><a href="http://blog.secularprolife.org/2013/08/the-pro-life-fight-for-womens-rights.html">Here</a> is a post on how the pro-life side does support women's other choices and give support for pregnant women vs. how little the pro-choice side does.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #333333;">Sometimes I actually think that it is the abortion industry keeping it this way because they know that so many less people would be pro-choice if there were much more options and better options available and there wasn't really a need for abortion. Think about it, a lot of people find abortion horrible but say women need to be able to choose it, but they still hate it being used basically as a back up contraception or it used easily and willy nilly. They say it has to be around for women in tight situations and with good reasons, but greatly frown upon women who just want to go out and do it for the heck of it. If people were already aware of all the options, or there were more and better options, <i>so</i> many more people would be pro-life because abortion would be left to women who could have very easily chosen a different choice yet didn't, and if there are more pro-lifers, and more/better/women knowing of choices, not only would you have people voting pro-life more and not voting pro-choice, but you would have less and less abortions, and eventually abortion would be outlawed, so abortionists would lose a whole bunch of money, and so many people would be out of work, and pro-choice politicians would have way less of a voice and be less likely to get elected. The abortion industry would crumble, and it has spent 40 years building itself up on the lies it tells people to try to get support. I'm not saying that's definitely what has been happening, but it's something to think about. We saw this clearly in Texas. Even most pro-choicers hate late-term abortion and would vote against it, yet the media and even some of these pro-choicers painted the Texas laws like it was so horrible and "stand with Texas women" even though Texas women especially didn't want that, but oh no, since it was the pro-lifers who were trying to get rid of abortion far enough along that nobody wants it and get abortion clinics up to code and doing exactly what pro-choicers always wanted and said should be done, they rejected it. They acted like it was so bad just because it would stop some abortions THAT ARE DANGEROUS IN THE FIRST PLACE AND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS COMPLAINING ABOUT and passed it off, and acted like pro-lifers must have some ulterior motive and suddenly changed their tune just because it would of course stop some abortions from happening and it was proposed and supported by pro-lifers. They always say they want it "safe legal and rare" yet they really only care about the legal part. They have to have it by their people for their reasons or else they'll be hypocritical and not want it, even if it is the main reason they argue abortion should be legalized. I bet if pro-lifers did have a lot of laws they were trying to pass that totally helped out pregnant women and mothers and made it so less and less women would choose abortion, especially if that meant some would close down because of lack of need for them, pro-choicers would be against it because of that and because it was pro-lifers who did it. In fact, I bet you that has already happened. They don't care about women at all. Well ok, a lot of them don't. I guarantee you there would be some thinking this is so stupid right alongside us.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #333333;">Also, I find it so odd that in a feminist society where they successfully made abortion illegal and have kept it legal and they have gotten so many other things for women, they couldn't secure more rights for pregnant women and mothers and children. That truly shoes where their priorities lie. If feminists really wanted support for pregnant women, they could easily get it. They are just more concerned about that one choice. Mind you I'm a feminist too, so I'm only talking about the pro-choice feminists, but pro-life feminists need more people to support pregnant women in order to get anywhere with it. Feminism should change it's path to support women who actually want to be mothers yet feel like they have no other choice. What about their rights? What about pro-choice in that sense?</span><br />
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<span style="color: #333333;">As the saying goes, abortion is a band-aid solution to a much bigger problem. It takes women and puts them right back in the situations they were in before they got the abortion. Abortion doesn't solve anything. </span><br />
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<span style="color: #333333;">Here is a good quote from Pro-Life Humanists...</span>
<span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span><span style="background-color: #ebcca7; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px;">"Feminist author Frederica Matthews-Green once pointed out that “No woman wants an abortion as she wants an ice cream cone or a Porsche. She wants an abortion as an animal caught in a trap wants to gnaw off its own leg.” The challenge for our ever-evolving society is this: Are we going to hand the woman a hack-saw and help her amputate her leg? Or are we wise and capable enough to come up with creative ways of removing the offending trap, without destroying the leg in the process - especially when that “leg” is a fellow human being?"</span></div>
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Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-18199853048974272122013-08-31T15:36:00.000-07:002013-08-31T15:36:11.066-07:00Finding the organizations for people like me<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
So after I started finding out that apparently pro-life <i>was </i>somehow on the conservative and non-feminist side and vice versa, I decided to look for people like me. It actually wasn't that hard. I found <a href="http://feministsforlife.com/">Feminists For Life</a> pretty easily and early on, and then I knew that I <i>was </i>right and that pro-life <i>was </i>a feminist thing, and learned that even the early feminists were pro-life. I also found <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1i3J3ytyjE">this</a> video where a woman says "I think the figure often used is 43%, approximately 43% of all Democrats are Pro-Life." I remember telling my mom that. In the video, she explains that pro-life Democrats tend to be more passive, and don't take on leadership positions, and so their voices are diluted. I can see that, as this is an area where a lot of people would still be in the closet, as it is not the majority and this is such a polarizing and controversial issue. I found some liberal and feminist pro-life quotes and stuck them in a notepad document that I've had now for years, though I only keep adding to it. I also found the <a href="http://godlessprolifers.org/">Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League</a>, which has members list of hundreds of members, a lot of whom are also liberal. When I got on facebook, the first pro-life page I found was searching for a liberal pro-life page and finding <a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pro-Life-Liberals/366896816811">Pro-Life Liberals</a>, and that became the basis for my connects to other people like me. I started to look around the web, and found that a lot of people also thought that considering what liberalism is about (helping the poor, the innocent, equal rights for all, hating all violence etc.) that pro-life would most <i>definitely </i>be liberal. I'm surprised it took me a while to find <a href="http://democratsforlife.org/">Democrats For Life of America</a> though, but then again I keep finding more and more. I also found <a href="http://www.secularprolife.org/">Secular Pro-Life</a> (actually I think I first heard about them from <a href="http://www.meehanreports.com/whyliberals.htm">this</a> article), and that was great because not only did they advocate from a secular perspective, but they have <i>a lot</i> of science based stances, and you can probably learn from them with the science behind it all. <a href="http://riotgrrrlsforlifeprolife.blogspot.com/2013/07/resources-liberal-feministpro-woman-and.html">Here</a> is that post where I list a <i>whole </i>bunch of liberal, feminist, Atheist, and those related pro-life groups as well as other important resources. I'm so glad I turned out to be right, and there are also a lot of people who think like me as well.<br />
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"The feminist Elizabeth Cady Stanton wrote to Julia Ward Howe in 1873, "When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit."<br />
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In his book (All Men are Are Brothers: The Life and Thoughts of Mahatma Ghandhi As Told in His Own Words), Mahatma Gandhi, the prophet of nonviolence, wrote, "[I]t seems to me as clear as daylight that abortion would be a crime."<br />
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Another great feminist, Susan B. Anthony who worked with Elizabeth Cady Stanton in the battle for women's suffrage wrote, "Guilty? Yes. No matter what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed. It will burden her conscience in life, it will burden her soul in death; But oh, thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime!"<br />
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Finally, in an election message in October of this year, Alveda King Beal, the niece of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., said, "Please, I urge you, do not be distracted by political rhetoric. The most pressing civil rights issue of this season is the protection of the lives of the pre-born."<br />
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Former president Bill Clinton in a letter to the Arkansas Right to Life dated September 26, 1986 wrote, "I am opposed to abortion and to government funding of abortions. We should not spend state funds on abortions because so many people believe abortion is wrong."<br />
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Former Democratic presidential candidate Rev. Jesse Jackson spoke at the 1977 pro-life march in Washington D.C. and asked, "What happens … to the moral fabric of a nation that accepts the aborting of the life of a baby without a pang of conscience."<br />
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Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts said to his constituents in 1971 that, "abortion on demand is not in accordance with the value which our civilization places on human life."<br />
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Of primary importance to Anthony was the granting to woman the right to her own body which she saw as an essential element for the prevention of unwanted pregnancies, using abstinence as the method. In The Revolution, Anthony wrote in 1869 about the subject, arguing that instead of merely attempting to pass a law against abortion, the root cause must also be addressed. Simply passing an anti-abortion law would, she wrote, "be only mowing off the top of the noxious weed, while the root remains."[8] Anthony continued: "Guilty? Yes, no matter what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed. It will burden her conscience in life, it will burden her soul in death; but oh! thrice guilty is he who, for selfish gratification, heedless of her prayers, indifferent to her fate, drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime."[8]"</div>
Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-66380904179599485972013-08-10T23:46:00.000-07:002013-08-11T00:18:01.245-07:00Finding out all your favorite bands are pro-choice<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
One of the really hard things about being a very liberal, grunge/alternative rocker chick who is pro-life, is finding out that all of your favorite bands are pro-choice. I think I found out when I was still assuming that liberals were always on the side of pro-life and vice versa. I had to find out that Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Stone Temple Pilots, and whoever else were, and that L7 actually started Rock For Choice. It is soooo horrible to have to come to terms with the fact that the only people you fit in with, your tribe, your fellow bohemian outcasts, actually advocate for lack of rights for the unborn and women being able to get rid of their own offspring. It makes you feel so weird, and like an outcast all over again, but questioning how people so much like you can be so different in this one way.<br />
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The way I came to terms with it is by realizing that this is literally the only thing we disagree on, and that should be worth something. We have <i>all</i> these things in common, all these similar values, all these similar tastes in music and art and vibes and culture, and these people's music is the reason I haven't killed myself yet, and the medicine I use to get rid of all pain and sadness, and what makes me happy and feel connected, so am I really going to throw that away all for <i>one</i> difference? It's not like I'd be able to stop liking their music because of it anyway, and if I didn't have their music, I don't know, I feel like I'd just die or something. I'd cease to exist. Same with feeling like I can relate to these people.</div>
Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-20417201753977647932013-08-01T22:06:00.000-07:002013-11-15T23:23:57.372-08:00Intellectual dishonesty in the pro-choice side/abortion industry<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
So I have heard a LOT of stories and of people who turned from pro-choice to pro-life or got an abortion and regretted it based off of the fact that they honestly didn't know and weren't told about the facts of the unborn, other choices, or what an abortion is or does. I've heard people say they literally go to pro-choice groups or websites and they won't give out info of other choices, or they will use lots of euphemisms and not tell the truth about the unborn, and I have even heard pro-choicers actually say we should be dehumanizing. This really does a disservice to their own supporters, as they don't actually know what they are supporting. They have the wool pulled over their eyes, and that isn't fair to them.<br />
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The problem with this is that whenever we advocate for lack of knowledge of something, we're doing it wrong and ensuring that people will make decisions they regret as they didn't have all the info to begin with. That's why all the post-abortive women who regret it's number 1 complaint is that people acted like it was just a "routine medical procedure" (There is also the problem of the more feminist women being told by their feminist friends that they have to be pro-choice in order to be a proper feminist and support womanhood, or telling them they should get an abortion if they are in whatever situation), or like it was no big deal and ignored to tell them info about anything, and they honestly didn't really know what they were doing, or maybe they did in the back of their heads but everyone acted like it was no big deal and skipped over what it actually is and does, so they went along with it. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuhN_P8ma2wkzs5qg567nYf_f9MLgarMQ&feature=mh_lolz">Here</a> is my playlist for post-abortive women telling their stories and how they regret it. These women wish people actually told them stuff. They end up thinking it was their fault when really it's the society that decides to hide info and act like they can "exercise their legal right to choose" and use euphemisms the whole way. Dehumanizing and hiding info and not telling them of all their options is bad for everyone. We all hate abstinence only education because of that as well, so just think of that.<br />
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The only thing to say when a woman says she's pregnant is to tell her all of her options and any nearby pregnancy support centers or hotlines or websites and make sure she feels supported and is informed as possible on everything available to her, and that includes the support and choices she has like all the social safety nets and financial stuff and daycare and adoption and safe surrender/safe haven and so on and so forth, as well as what is happening with her unborn, and what an abortion is.<br />
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I just recently came across a post of a picture of abortion victims, and someone there posted that it wasn't an abortion and it was propaganda, and it made me realize that they really don't know what abortion looks like and that they are also told that anything showing abortion or describing abortion is just propaganda and they shouldn't believe it. I have come across a lot of abortion supporters that are very abortion illiterate, and if you try to describe it to them, they'll deny it and act like that's not what happens. These poor people have no idea what they are supporting. You can go see what the abortion doctors themselves say about the procedure, yet if you describe it to them or show them pictures or medical diagrams showing the procedure, pro-choicers are told not to believe this, that it must be propaganda from the pro-lifers who are distorting the truth, or make up lies about how abortions are always early enough to where it isn't developed yet and thus there is no blood or gore, or it doesn't even look human yet, or whatever else. I literally just came across a page where the admins were defended deleting comments and posts, and granted I didn't see the comments they were referring to so they could have been ones with the more conservative and religious side actually lying a bit, but usually you get that about the unborn or abortion in general, but they were going on and on about the "anti-woman forced birth opinions" and that they rely on lies. They actually think that people who are pro-life are lying about it all. This spreads even more of a stereotype that they are, especially when they delete comments so that no one can see what the person says and no further dialogue can be attained, so they have to take the admin's word for it, and once again advocates for a lack of knowledge of abortion, the unborn, other choices, how it hurts woman, and so on and so forth. Anything about any of that is not allowed to seep through to the media, and I've noticed pages who lean pro-choice will delete and block pro-lifers and pro-life comments more than any other pages delete and block. It's total censorship, and ensuring a world full of a lack of information on this subject. These people are so brainwashed it's ridiculous.<br />
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It is odd when you have pro-choicers advocating for lack of knowledge of it and not showing what it is. This is what you SUPPORT! This is the choice you proudly stand behind and say you think people should be allowed to choose, yet you can't stand to see it or know what it is about. That should be clue that you perhaps don't actually want to be supporting it. There was <a href="https://www.facebook.com/secularprolife/posts/546014302130591">this</a> controversy where a paper refused to show an accurate image of a baby at 20-24 weeks and labelled it as being controversial. I love the quote Secular Pro-Live gave, and I couldn't have said it better myself, "<span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;">If you find an accurate image controversial, it's time to reconsider your philosophy." </span><br />
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There was also <a href="http://www.lifenews.com/2013/08/06/womens-medical-group-bans-pro-life-physicians-from-giving-presentations/">this</a> one where three physicians were planning on giving presentations on risks of abortions, and their presentations were cancelled because of that. This just ensures even further that women will be more likely to end up going through all of this because they weren't told about it, because pro-choicers really like to censor those things.<br />
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It has been proven to work where pro-lifers by abortion clinics tell the girls coming in of other options instead of just shouting at them or calling them names, and they actually choose something else. When they know they actually do have other choices, they choose them. This shows that the people around them either weren't giving them enough support or weren't being honest and telling them of their other choices (though perhaps they honestly didn't know either.) Everyone (especially pro-choicers) always says that women only choose abortion because they feel like they have no other choice, and that's true. The thing is, they do have other choices. They just don't get told about them that much, and everyone's first response to a pregnancy is, "you know you can exercise your legal right to choose, right?" It all becomes about politics, and making sure they know first and foremost that they can abort, and that helps to ignore the other options and support for those other options as well. Supporting a choice that you know women only choose because they have no other choice, especially if you don't spend that much time on the other choices, is NOT pro-choice. It is anti-choice. I have heard so many sentiments from pro-choicers who prove that they really only care about that one choice. To them, even if you support all the other choices, you're a bad person if you don't support this one. One would think they would want to get rid of that choice and totally help out all the other choices, since they are so "pro-woman" and "pro-choice" and women only choose it because they feel like they have to and it isn't even a good choice (actually the worst) anyway. If it were that great of a choice, women would be lining up to do it with pride and utter happiness, or at the very least, not choose it because they feel like they have no other choice. To keep supporting something like that, and then claim to actually care about women, is just sick. Perhaps the pro-lifers that actively work towards getting women more choices, better and fixing the choices, and them knowing of their choices more should actually be the ones to be called pro-choice.<br />
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They aren't told what the unborn goes through, they aren't shown any pictures or ultrasounds, or pictures of abortion victims (or if they see them they are taught that it must be wrong and just political weaponry from the pro-lifers, or they are so gung-ho about their own position that they don't really pay attention to them) and a lot of people have turned pro-life or found out about what happens to the unborn just by seeing ultrasounds or sonograms or pictures or abortions or reading info about the unborn, and realizing that what they thought was "just a clump of cells" actually looked like a human, and had already formed this and that and the other. The pro-choice side is full of a lot of outdated mottos that still get spread around even though it isn't the 70s anymore and we have much better technology and a greater knowledge of science. People in their side just don't spread around the new info, and keep feeding people lies. Here are some links to just a few of the stories I have seen where people describe how their former side and the abortion industry is full of lack of knowledge, and I'll put parts of note below them...<br />
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<a href="http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jennifer-fulwiler/why-i-lost-faith-in-the-pro-choice-movement/#ixzz2Azny6wLA">Why I Lost Faith in the Pro-Choice Movement</a><br />
"<span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 18px;">My first tipoff that something was wrong in the pro-choice movement was when I realized that there was a great fear of information. A year or two after Sara's situation, another friend found herself in a crisis pregnancy (also due to failed contraception), and was wrestling with the issue of abortion. She had asked me to find out how far her baby would have developed at this point, so I did some research online.</span><br />
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I found some images and descriptions of fetal development, and was amazed by how much I hadn't known. For all the time I'd spent talking about abortion rights, I'd never bothered to learn the details about what, exactly, happens within a woman's womb when she's pregnant, and no one had encouraged me to do so. I had never heard that fetuses have arms and legs and tastebuds at eight weeks gestation, or that they began practicing breathing at 11 weeks. I paused and thought about that for a long time. It didn't make me question my pro-choice stance, but for the first time I could understand how someone could be uncomfortable with abortion.</div>
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The biggest thing I noticed, however, was that pro-life sites had this information in abundance. The pro-lifers encouraged women to educate themselves about the details of pregnancy, suggested that they view ultrasounds to know what was happening within their bodies, and offered resources to educate women about all aspects of the female reproductive system.</div>
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On the pro-choice side, it was a totally different story.</div>
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I had started my research on websites for abortion providers and various feminist organizations, which I had assumed would equip women to make informed choices by providing them with full information. To my concern and surprise, I could not find one shred of information about fetal development on any websites associated with the pro-choice movement. When I read their literature about the details of abortion procedures, they were full of insulting euphemisms. Even when describing second trimester abortions, they would use eerily vague terms talking about "emptying the uterus" of its "contents." I felt like I had been transported back to Victorian England, where women weren't supposed to be told hard facts, even about their own bodies, because they might get all flustered."</div>
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<a href="http://www.feministsforlife.org/metamorphosis-kristen-hatten/">Kristen Hatten's pro-choice feminism to pro-life feminism story</a><br />
<span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;">“</span><i style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: 'Open+Sans', sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 21px;">Sadie spoke of human rights, ethics, and science. She explained the provable fact that the unborn human is a distinct and separate life from the moment of his or her conception. She shared the statistic that in more than 99 percent of cases, the pregnant woman willingly engaged in the act that led to her pregnancy. How then, she asked, could she treat her baby as an unwanted alien invader, a nutrient-stealing parasite, in order to justify its killing?</i><br />
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<span style="border: 0px; color: #333333; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><i>She also talked about the harm done to women by the abortion procedure – physically, mentally, and emotionally. She talked about the brutality of abortion, how the fetus is often ripped limb from limb, and how the woman is often left wounded – and sometimes infertile. She explained “partial-birth abortion.” She made me understand the cycle of violence that is continued when a woman, feeling oppressed herself, passes that oppression on to her children.</i></span></div>
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<span style="border: 0px; color: #333333; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><i>I asked to see the photographs to which she’d alluded during our conversation. I saw them. I saw proof of what abortion does, and the lie that says that an unborn child is just a “clump of cells” or a “blob of tissue” was destroyed for me – forever. My ignorance was gone, and I was pro-life.</i></span></div>
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<span style="border: 0px; color: #333333; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><i>Don’t get me wrong – I’d seen those images before, but I’d never <i>really</i> seen them. I did not see the humanity of the children shown in those images until my heart was opened to the fact that I was looking at a human being. As a pro-choice woman, when I was shown graphic images of aborted fetuses – held up in front of clinics, at protests, or seen accidentally while surfing the Web – I did not see murdered human beings. I saw my own opinion, assaulted. I saw crazy people holding gross signs, and my mind glossed over the rest.</i></span></div>
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<span style="border: 0px; color: #333333; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><i>To this day, I have many friends of various opinions on abortion. I don’t know a single person who has been converted by an unexpected graphic image waved in his or her face, and I don’t like the idea of making a clinic look like a safe haven from the scary people outside. But when I was ready, and asked to see them, graphic images of intact and aborted unborn children were the final nail in the coffin of my pro-abortion beliefs.</i></span></div>
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<span style="border: 0px; color: #333333; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><i>I kept saying to Sadie, “Oh, my God. You just made me pro-life.”</i></span></div>
<i style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: 'Open+Sans', sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 21px;">I spent the next week on the Internet trying to “un-convince” myself of the truth of abortion, hoping that something would make me pro-choice again. But you can’t unlearn what you’ve learned. Information made me pro-life. Information about the early feminists and their pro-life views convinced me that Sadie told the truth when she called herself a feminist.</i><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;">”</span><br />
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<a href="http://www.gargaro.com/choicetolife.html">I Used To Be Pro-Choice...But...</a> stories from people who went from pro-choice to pro-life<br />
"<b style="background-color: white; font-family: VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA; font-size: small;">The whole reason I was pro-choice was based on lies.</b><span style="background-color: white; font-family: VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA; font-size: x-small;"> I was very loyal to Planned Parenthood, but, when I did some research, I found out that a lot of the things they were telling me were false. I didn't know that most of the world's top scientists have said that the fetus is human, and I never really thought about it. I also didn't know that PP was lying when they said 1 million women died as a result of illegal abortions in 1972. The number is closer to 39. There were so many lies that I decided to see what the pro-lifers were really all about, instead of relying on what PP had to say about them. That's when I learned that the fetus deserves to live just as much as any of us. I still believe that if the mother's life is in danger, she can choose, along with the father of the child if he is in the picture, to save her life instead of the child's. But any other time, I now think abortion is murder."</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA; font-size: x-small;">"</span><b style="background-color: white; font-family: VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA; font-size: small;">At one time I was for abortion, until I learned what it is actually about. I was greatly mislead by the media"</b><br />
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<a href="http://blog.secularprolife.org/2013/07/newsflash-there-is-no-right-to-hide.html">Here</a> is a great blog post from Secular Pro-Life mentioning how parents got upset at people distributing fetal models and cards (strictly about prenatal development, not aborted fetus dolls or anything like that and not having anything to do with abortion).<br />
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Here is an interesting story, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/ProLifeDiscussions/posts/539159099465241">My Fake Abortion Story</a><br />
"<span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;">I decided to kick my experiment up a notch and sought out the Pro Life Club on campus. I stormed into their meeting, and said, "Keep your fetus worshippers away from me! If I want to kill this thing I will, I will even kill it myself.'' They were very nice, they tried to calm me down, tell me facts about my child, about abortion, and if I ever heard my other options.</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;">Then I went to our campus' Pro Choice club. I told them I want to abort, had an appointment, but I wasn't sure. If they could me information or facts. I received none. Just warm smiles, ''comfy'' talk, and reassurance about my decision.</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;">Personally I am neither Pro Choice/abortion/ solution/life . I try to see it logically and scientifically . Yet the attention I received from the Pro Choice club versus the Pro Life club was insufficient . It was downright scary. These women who are passionate about their bodies...don't seem to know anything about them, and even seem terrified about the facts surrounding them. I almost felt like the blind being led by the blind."</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;">A <a href="http://www.nationalrighttolifenews.org/news/2013/03/what-happened-when-my-pro-abortion-friend-saw-this-picture/#.UasGqkDVCSp">post</a> about someone's pro-abortion friend seeing an illustration of what happens in an abortion of a 23 week old baby, and realizing she doesn't think she's ok with that.</span><br />
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My friend looked over my shoulder and gasped.</div>
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“What are you LOOKING at?” she asked, horrified.</div>
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“That’s an abortion,” I answered plainly.</div>
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“But, that’s a baby!” she exclaimed. “That doesn’t happen!”</div>
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“That’s a 23 week abortion. That happens quite frequently, actually.”"</div>
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I tried to remain calm.</div>
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She’s not stupid. Really, honestly, she isn’t. She’s actually incredibly intelligent, educated. She has a degree.</div>
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I truly believe that my friend has been deceived.</div>
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How else could an intelligent, loving individual be completely “pro-choice”?</div>
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Deception.</div>
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People are told what they want to hear, that it’s “just a blob of tissue,” or they’re told, “abortion is OK in certain circumstances,” and most importantly, they’re told “abortion is a woman’s right.” But when they are presented with the reality that what they thought was a blob of tissue was actually a baby, a human being, a lot of them change their minds. Yes, a lot.</div>
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“I don’t know if I’m OK with that.” She said with finality."</div>
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“She wanted an abortion,” the nurse replied, “and we’re required by law to do what she wants.”</div>
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The doctor had been listening to our conversation. As he stood up, he said, “At this point in the pregnancy, the products of conception aren’t much.” I knew the emphasis on “products of conception” was for my benefit.</div>
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Is that what you have in that pail? I thought. Does that make it easier for you? I did not have the courage to put into words what I was thinking. I’ve always regretted that.</div>
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I stepped forward and peered into the pail. This time I broke out in a cold sweat. Dear Jesus! I thought. I just saw someone murdered! And I just stood and watched! Why did I come down here? How will I ever put this out of my mind?</div>
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“Are you OK?” the voice of the nurse brought me back.</div>
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“I’m sorry,” I smiled weakly. “I just never realized what it was like.</div>
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“More than I care to admit,” the nurse said. “Actually, I can handle one, but when they start to come back for the second or third time, it really gets to me.”</div>
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As I left the operating room, I shook my head in an attempt to get the horrible vision out of my head. I couldn’t. It was there; it would always be there: a little hand…a little rib cage.</div>
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The author goes on to describe nightmares he had about the abortion. Now he is a pro-life activist."</div>
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Also, medical students can turn from pro-choice to pro-life by witnessing abortions and be disgusted by them, as even the scientific and medical minded can be tricked by society and not realize what an abortion actually is. <a href="http://liveactionnews.org/medical-student-confronts-abortion-becomes-pro-life/">Here</a> is a story about just that.</div>
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"<span style="color: #666666; font-style: italic; line-height: 19.5px;">To begin, I must say that until yesterday, Friday, July 2, 2004, I was strongly pro-choice."</span></div>
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<span style="color: #666666; font-style: italic; line-height: 19.5px;">"</span><span style="color: #666666; font-style: italic; line-height: 19.5px;">This summer, I was accepted into a pre-medical program in NYC in which we are allowed to shadow doctors and see all sorts of medical procedures. When given the opportunity to see an abortion, I did not hesitate to accept the offer."</span></div>
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<span style="color: #666666; font-style: italic; line-height: 19.5px;">"</span><span style="color: #666666; font-style: italic; line-height: 19.5px;">The cervix was held open with a crude metal instrument and a large transparent tube was stuck inside of the woman. Within a matter of seconds, the machine’s motor was engaged and blood, tissue, and tiny organs were pulled out of their environment into a filter. A minute later, the vacuum choked to a halt. The tube was removed, and stuck to the end was a small body and a head attached haphazardly to it, what was formed of the neck snapped. The ribs had formed with a thin skin covering them, the eyes had formed, and the inner organs had begun to function. The tiny heart of the fetus, obviously a little boy, had just stopped — forever. The vacuum filter was opened, and the tiny arms and legs that had been torn off of the fetus were accounted for. The fingers and toes had the beginnings of their nails on them. The doctors, proud of their work, reassembled the body to show me. Tears welled up in my eyes as they removed the baby boy from the table and shoved his body into a container for disposal. </span><span style="color: #666666; font-size: 1.1em; font-style: italic; line-height: 19.5px;">I have not been able to think of anything since yesterday at 10:30 besides what that baby boy might have been. I don’t think that people realize what an abortion actually is until they see it happen. I have been tortured by these images – so real and so vivid – for two days now…and I was just a spectator.</span></div>
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Never again will I be pro-choice, and never again will I support the murder of any human being, no matter their stage in life."</div>
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<a href="http://www.lifenews.com/2013/09/23/clinic-calls-police-to-kick-out-babys-father-as-he-tries-to-stop-abortion/">This</a> is about someone observing abortions for a book, and a couple examples from that.</div>
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"In the first session, a woman named Peggy sits with a clinic worker named Carye as the worker explains the procedure. Carye is telling her about how to prepare for her abortion. Korn says:</div>
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Peggy’s mind is off on a different track. ‘Is it true that at six weeks it has a heartbeat?’ Carye says nobody is sure exactly when the heart begins beating, and tries to deflect that concern. “This pregnancy and you are the same thing,” she adds, explaining to Peggy that prior to twenty-four weeks the fetus cannot survive outside her womb. (25)</div>
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The beating heart of an unborn baby can be heard with a fetal heart monitor or seen on an ultrasound screen in the first trimester. According to The Mayo Clinic <a href="http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prenatal-care/PR00112" style="color: #154e70;" target="_blank">“Pregnancy Week by Week” Timeline</a>:</div>
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The clinic worker, rather than giving accurate information to the patient, answers evasively and tries to steer the subject away from the baby’s humanity. “The pregnancy [i.e., not the “the baby” or even “the fetus”] and you are the same thing.” Actually, the “pregnancy” and the mother are <em>not </em>the same thing. The baby has his or her own DNA, circulatory system, and developing organs. The goal of the clinic worker seems to be geared towards shifting Peggy’s view away from seeing her baby as a living being and toward convincing Peggy to accept the “it’s just part of your body” viewpoint that many abortion advocates share.</div>
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This is not unbiased counseling."</div>
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There was also <a href="http://clinicquotes.com/results-of-survey-of-women-who-had-abortions-womens-feelings-after-abortion/">one of the most extensive interviews of postabortion women ever done</a>. There are tons of scary statistics here, but I'll post the ones that show they felt they had a lack of info below, which is actually most of them.</div>
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"82% said there abortion decision was “not at all” “thought out.” Only 9% felt that it was moderately well thought out and only 8% believe the decision had been well thought out.</div>
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“Do you feel you had all the necessary information to make a decision?” 93% said no.</div>
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40 – 50% of women surveyed were wavering in their choice and were actually hoping for another option when they first went to speak with a counselor.</div>
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91% reported that their abortion counselors offer little or no help in exploring her decision and options.</div>
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Only 4% of the women gave their abortion counselors high grades for being informative and helpful.</div>
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66% believe that there abortion counselors are strongly biased toward selling them on abortion is the best solution.</div>
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Only 9% believe that their counselors had been free of pro-choice bias</div>
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90% of women surveyed felt they did not have enough information to make an informed choice.</div>
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76% complained they were not given an accurate description of the procedure.</div>
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Only 16% felt the counseling session had adequately informed them about the technical aspects of the abortion procedure</div>
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only 8% believe their counselors had adequately discuss the surgical risks of the procedure.</div>
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Over 90% of women stated that the biological nature of the fetus had not been discussed during a counseling session.</div>
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Only 2% said that the fetal development had been thoroughly or even moderately discussed</div>
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asked whether they felt “well-informed about the procedure and fetus through other sources before seeking an abortion.” 90% claimed they had little or no prior knowledge and 5% stated that they had only moderate prior knowledge. Only 4% claim to have been well informed about abortion, fetal development, through prior knowledge.</div>
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80% felt their counselors had not encouraged – or even attempt to discourage – questions about the abortion. only 5 to 13% believe that their counselors were open and willing to answer their questions. When questions were asked, only 8% thought the questions were thoroughly answered. 8% believe they receive moderately complete answers and 52 to 71% said the questions were trivialized or avoided</div>
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21% were at a Planned Parenthood facility for their counseling and/or abortions. 60% stated that there Planned Parenthood counselor had very strongly encouraged them to choose abortion as the “best solution to their problems. Over 90% of those encouraged to abort by their planned parenthood counselor said there was a strong chance they would’ve chosen against the abortion if they had not been so strongly encouraged to abort by others, including a counselor</div>
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Of the Planned Parenthood patients, over 60% were still hoping to find an alternative to abortion when they went for counseling. Only 25% were already firm in their abortion choice. All felt their Planned Parenthood counselor did little or nothing to help them explore their decision. 89% said the Planned Parenthood counselor was strongly biased in favor of abortion.</div>
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95% of Planned Parenthood counselors gave “little or no biological information about the fetus which the abortion would destroy.” And over 80% of the Planned Parenthood counselors gave little or no information about the potential health risks</div>
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Only 13% felt “adequately prepared” by Planned Parenthood counselors"</div>
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Mom Baby God is the name of a pro-abortion play written by an abortion supporter after she went undercover at a Students For Life of America conference and was "disturbed by how much enthusiasm there was for the pro-life issue among youth" and wanted to show her side this and "wake up the pro-abortion movement." Yet she ended up <a href="http://liveactionnews.org/pro-choice-censorship-how-the-truth-is-in-pro-lifers-favor/">censoring fetal development</a> because this backfired and the facts made her own audience question their pro-choice beliefs.<br />
<span style="background-color: white; color: #666666; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: italic; line-height: 19.5px;">“The writer admitted during the Question & Answer session after the premiere that she had to rewrite several scenes of the play relating to fetal development, because they were actually causing her audience to question their pro-abortion beliefs.”</span><br />
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There are also a lot of abortion doctors or abortion clinic workers that tell their stories of how they were specifically told to lie to their patients and not let them know about the development of the unborn. They know they are supposed to do this, because if they ever knew the truth, the girl wouldn't choose abortion, and then they would be out of money. You can find a lot of them on <a href="http://clinicquotes.com/">Clinic Quotes</a>, especially in <a href="http://clinicquotes.com/category/truth-aborted/informed-consent-and-selling-abortions/">these</a> <a href="http://clinicquotes.com/category/truth-aborted/informed-consent-and-selling-abortions/women-deceived/">sections</a>, and here is a facebook page for that site as well, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/ClinicQuotes">Clinic Quotes facebook page</a>, and there is also another facebook page affiliated with that, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/AbortionQuoteOfTheDay">Abortion Quote of the Day</a>, and I will post some below.<br />
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“In fact, clinic workers would purposefully avoid providing information on fetal development, what the child looked like, the child’s anatomical development and the pain he or she could feel. I was continuously reminded that when referring to the baby, the appropriate terminology was “clump of cells” or “contents of the uterus.”</div>
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Planned Parenthood’s mission is to pressure as many women into having an abortion as it can. Those in charge know that can’t be accomplished if they refer to the child as a “baby.”</div>
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Then women would know what was really growing inside them: a little person with a beating heart, functioning nervous system, tiny hands and feet. The child is entirely disregarded. There is no counseling, no care, no waiting and no discussion. Once a pregnancy is confirmed, it is off to termination.”</div>
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Catherine Anthony Adair “Planned Parenthood lies about itself” Washington Examiner, 11/22/11. Quoted in Abortion Industry’s “Mission Is To Pressure Women”, Afterabortion.org, Elliot Institute, January 12, 2012.</div>
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<a href="http://clinicquotes.com/clinic-worker-we-would-find-their-weakness-and-work-on-it/">http://clinicquotes.com/clinic-worker-we-would-find-their-weakness-and-work-on-it/</a><br />
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“Many women could not afford to have babies, so we would use examples- like the price of babies’ shoes, the price of clothing, how much it cost to raise a baby. If they weren’t finished with their education, the hindrance it would have on their education, how would they find a baby sitter, who was going to take care of that baby for them? We would find their weakness and work on them…All they were told about the procedure itself was that they would experience slight cramping similar to menstrual cramps, and that was it. They were not told about the development of the baby. They were not told about the pain the baby would be experiencing or the physical effects or the emotional effects it would have on them. They had no idea who was going to be there to help them when they fell apart afterward…Some of the women were a little apprehensive about it. We were told that in explaining to them we could never use the word “babies.” It was always tissues, tissues of cells, or clusters of cells or products of conception.”</div>
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“The women were never given any type of alternatives to the abortion. It was just automatically assumed that they knew what they wanted. They were never told about adoption agencies. They were never told about people out there who were willing to help them–to give them homes to live in, to provide them with care and even financial support. The euphemisms that are used — clusters of cells, products of conception, or just plain tissue — are all lies.”</div>
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Personal Testimony “Meet the Abortion Providers” Convention</div>
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in 2005, in Georgia, a law was proposed that would’ve allowed women coming in for abortions to see information about their unborn babies. The woman would not be forced to look at this information, but she would have the option to if she chose to. Planned Parenthood vehemently oppose the law. According to Kay Scott, who is executive director of Planned Parenthood :</div>
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Kay Scott “ABORTION: 24-HOUR-WAIT SUPPORTERS TRY TO DECEIVE” The Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Atlanta, GA), Jan 21, 2005 pA15</div>
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Ultrasound technician Shari Richard describes how effective ultrasounds are in changing the minds of women considering abortion.</div>
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“In my own career as an ultrasound technician, I’ve been told to turn the ultrasound monitor away from pregnant women so that they wouldn’t decide against an abortion (I refused). That’s because 90% of women change their minds about having abortions after viewing their babies via sonogram.”</div>
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She goes on to tell the following story:</div>
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“For 10 years I have been an ultrasongrapher and I have witnessed the development of pre-born children. I am convinced that if every mother could see her baby on ultrasound, the abortion argument would be over. A look through the window reveals the true victim of abortion. This is why ultrasound images are often censored, for example…</div>
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In 1990, I testified on fetal development before the House and Senate committee considering the “Freedom of Choice Act.” I brought an ultrasound videotape of fully formed fetuses as young as eight weeks after conception. Representative Don Edwards (D – CA) tried to prevent me from showing the videotape.”</div>
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One Chicago abortion clinic said the following on a brochure aimed at women considering abortions at the clinic:</div>
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“From admission to recovery, patient ease and comfort are first considerations. She is encouraged to ask questions, share feelings or misgivings.”</div>
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These were the actual instructions given to the clinic workers:</div>
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“1. Don’t tell [the] patient. The abortion will hurt.</div>
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2. Don’t discuss [the abortion] procedure or the instruments to be used in any detail.</div>
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Pamela Zekman and Pamela Warrick “The Abortion Profiteers” Chicago Sun-Times November 12, 1978</div>
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This article was from a long time ago but things in the abortion clinics haven’t changed much. <a href="http://clinicquotes.com/former-planned-parenthood-worker-describes-counseling-at-her-clinic/" style="background-color: transparent; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px; color: #743399; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Read about what one former Planned Parenthood clinic worker says about how the clinic counseled their patients.</a></div>
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In the article “Abortion Providers Share Inner Conflicts” in American Medical News, a Toronto physician said she didn’t know “how and whether we [should] protect the patient from the reality of the procedure.”</div>
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She said she regularly hid the ultrasound screen.</div>
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Diane M. Gianelli, “Abortion Providers Share Inner Conflicts,” American Medical News, July 12, 1993. Quoted by Rachel MacNair “Achieving Peace in the Abortion War</div>
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“The hardest question you get asked is ‘does the baby feel pain?’ We had to lie to them or say we don’t know.”</div>
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From the essay “Alternatives to Abortion and Hard Cases” Patricia Casey. This quote was from an abortionist who runs a clinic in London:</div>
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“… it is not in any way standard to offer advice on adoption. It would be subversive…. In fact I would consider firing anyone who did this.”</div>
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When a woman in an abortion clinic voiced her concern that abortion might be killing, her counselor said</div>
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“Don’t think of it is killing. Think of it is taking blood out of your uterus to get your periods going again.”</div>
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Carol Everett, former owner of two abortion clinics and administrator of four, said that:</div>
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Every woman has these same two questions: First, ‘Is it a baby?’ ‘No’ the counselor assures her. ‘It is a product of conception (or a blood clot, or a piece of tissue)’ Even though these counselors see six week babies daily, with arms, legs and eyes that are closed like newborn puppies, they lie to the women. How many women would have an abortion, if they told them the truth?” </div>
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px;">Another former clinic worker, Linda Couri, who worked at Planned Parenthood, described how she </span><a href="http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/from-planned-parenthood-to-pro-life" style="color: #336699; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; text-decoration: none;" target="_blank">responded</a><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px;"> when a teenager considering abortion asked her the following question: “If I have an abortion, am I killing my baby?”</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px;">But Couri was haunted by the girl’s question and troubled about her response. She began questioning whether providing abortions was really moral. She recalls asking her supervisor if she had done the right thing. The supervisor did not deny that abortion was killing a baby but told her that in the teenager’s case, abortion was a “necessary evil.” Struck by the use of the word “evil,” Couri continued to question her position at the clinic. Eventually, she left, and now she is a pro-life speaker.</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px;">Clinic worker Peg Johnston, who works in an abortion clinic in New York, revealed how she dealt with women who said they were killing their babies in a 2005 article.</span><br />
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Johnston acknowledges that many women suspect that having an abortion is killing a baby. It seems that when directly misleading women fails, she uses semantics to separate the concept of “murder” from “killing.”</div>
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On the blog “<a href="http://abortionwitness.blogspot.com/" style="color: #336699; text-decoration: none;" target="_blank">Abortion Witness</a>” in a post entitled “Talking about the babies: saying the things we cannot say,” a clinic worker discusses a similar situation when she describes a conversation with a patient.</div>
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The first time an abortion patient said this to me, I was completely unprepared for it. Although I was a long-time pro-choice activist, a Ph.D. who had studied feminist theory , and a former abortion patient myself, nothing in my experience had prepared me to talk with a woman about killing babies. “Oh no,” I said to her as gently as I could. “It’s not a baby- it’s just tissue.”</div>
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She describes how pro-choice activists have trouble with using the word “baby” to describe the child who is killed in an abortion and says:</div>
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We all know that an unborn child dies in each abortion. And the majority of abortion care workers accept responsibility for our roles in these deaths. We have, for various reasons, determined for ourselves that having a part in these deaths is an important- and ethical- thing for us to do[.]</div>
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A woman getting an abortion at three months related the following conversation with an abortion clinic counselor:</div>
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“When I saw that a three month old “clump of cells” had fingers and toes and was a tiny perfectly formed baby, I became really hysterical. I’d been lied to and misled, and I’m sure thousands of other women are being just as poorly informed and badly served.”</div>
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Quoted by David C Reardon, Randy Alcorn “Pro-life Answers to Pro-Choice Arguments” (Sisters, Oregon: Multnomah Publishers, 2000) 198<br />
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Former clinic worker Luhra Tivis, who worked for Dr. George Tiller, stated:</div>
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“We were told specifically to coax [pregnant women to have an abortion] by any verbal means available.”</div>
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Quoted by Cal Thomas, “Celebrate Life” Oct 1991<br />
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And Then There Were None, a ministry that helps former clinic workers, told the following story in one of their emails:</div>
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“Ellen” recalled her time working at Planned Parenthood. Like many others, she felt uncomfortable with her job there, but it paid the bills and offered the benefits she needed. She was hired on as a patient educator and was reprimanded for quietly giving patients information on adoption services and resource centers in the counseling rooms, because she was not pushing the sale of abortion onto women who weren’t sure what they were going to do. ”It took a huge physical toll,” Ellen said. “I would always come home from work and cry.”</div>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">"A twenty-one-year-old woman, unemployed, uneducated, without family, in the fifth month of her fifth pregnancy. A forty-two-year-old mother of teenagers, shocked by her condition, refusing to tell her husband. A twenty-three-year-old motlier of two having her seventh abortion, and many women in their thirties having their first. . . .Oh, the ignorance . . . .Some swear they have not had sex, many do not know what a uterus is, how sperm and egg meet, how sex makes babies. . . .They come so young, snapping gum, sockless and sneakered, and their shakily applied eyeliner smears when they cry. . . .I cannot imagine them as mothers. </span><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">I am speaking in a matter-of-fact voice about 'the tissue' and 'the contents' when the woman suddenly catches my eye and asks, 'How big is the baby now?'. . . .1 gauge, and sometimes lie a little, weaseling around its infantile features until its clinging power slackens. But when I look in the basin, among the curdlike </span><a class="tip" href="http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Blood+Clots" style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">blood clots</a><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">, I see an </span><a class="tip" href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/elfin" style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">elfin</a><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"> </span><a class="tip" href="http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Thorax" style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">thorax</a><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">, </span><a class="tip" href="http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/attenuated" style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">attenuated</a><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">, its pencilline ribs all in parallel rows with tiny knobs of spine rounding upwards. A translucent arm and hand swim beside. . . .I have fetus dreams, we all do here: dreams of abortions one after the other; of buckets of blood splashed on the walls; trees full of crawling fetuses. . . ."</span><br />
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"My official title at the mill was “health worker.” I did various duties-lab work, leading groups (deceiving women about their abortions), “advocating” (deceiving women during their abortions), and assisting the abortionist, which included helping during the abortion and checking to make sure all the parts of the baby were there in the collection jar afterwards."<br />
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"There was no medical background required for the job, you just had to be able to accept abortion. And of all the women I worked with several of those women, at least half of them had had abortions and had repeat abortions. And yet they wouldn’t let any of these guys [abortionists] touch them with a 10 foot pole. Never. And yet every day they told these other women, “they’re wonderful doctors, they won’t hurt you. They’re the best at what they do. He’s really a nice man.” And sometimes the women would ask, “have you ever had an abortion?”And of course they wouldn’t say, “yes but not by him.”<br />
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I have to admit though I didn’t really have much sympathy for them.[the women] In my view, well you got yourself into this position, tough it out.</div>
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So I was looking at these babies as something to be disposed of. I didn’t see them as important, I didn’t see life as important, I didn’t value my own life, therefore how can I value anyone else’s life. And if these women were stupid enough to get pregnant, then it was their fault. And that’s how I felt. And that was how the majority of the staff felt.</div>
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Some of the directors I worked with had eight or nine abortions, and we were the same people who would look down on these women when they came in for repeat abortions. How stupid can you get, you know?</div>
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And every time she’d come in for an abortion or a D&E, we’d stamp, stamp, stamp, stamp – some of these charts were filled in on both sides. And the doctor would take a look at them and say, “Gee, if she tries real hard she can come in again before Christmas.” And this is somebody who cares about women? I don’t think so."</div>
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"I just took it as the general consensus, the general population does, that it is a choice, unfortunately it’s often presented as the only choice.</div>
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A woman would call, and I’d make her feel that this was her choice and that we were going to support her in this choice. Because the women are looking for someone to support their decision.”</div>
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A Michigan law requiring abortion providers to ask women if they want to see the ultrasound before they consented to abortions was proposed. The women would not be forced to see the ultrasound. This law mandated that abortion providers perform an ultrasound for their patients. In many ways, this is a safety issue, for the only way to know for sure how far along a woman is is to do an ultrasound. Also, an ultrasound is the only way to make sure a woman does not have an ectopic (tubal) pregnancy. Most clinics, including Planned Parenthood clinics, routinely do ultrasounds before abortions.<a href="http://clinicquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/17-wks.jpg" style="background-color: transparent; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px; color: #743399; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><img alt="" class="alignright size-full wp-image-9615" height="145" src="http://clinicquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/17-wks.jpg" style="background-color: transparent; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: none; display: inline; float: right; height: auto; margin: 4px 0px 12px 24px; max-width: 100%; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;" title="17-wks" width="140" /></a></div>
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REBEKAH WARREN of Lansing-based abortion rights group MARAL Pro-Choice, gave NARAL’s position:</div>
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“…requiring a doctor to ask a patient if she’d like to see an ultrasound in proximity to an abortion is a move Warren has described as “emotionally manipulative.”…</div>
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So is it emotionally manipulative to allow a woman the CHOICE to look at information that might let her make a more informed decision? Keep in mind that the woman would not be forced to view anything.<br />
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“Abortion is a skillfully marketed product sold to a woman when she needs help.The mother has already been the victim of that crime [rape], and we don’t traumatize that victim a second time by aborting her.”</div>
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“We have to sell abortions. We have to use all the tactics we can because just like my other businesses [a trucking firm, a pollution control business, and a real estate sales office] we have competition. Now, we have to go by the rules, but rules have to be broken if we are gonna get things done.”</div>
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“Every single transaction that we did was cash money. We wouldn’t take a check, or even a credit card. If you didn’t have the money, forget it. It was unusual at all for me to take 10,000 to 15,000 a day to the bank – in cash. It’s a lie when they tell you they’re doing it to help women because they’re not. They’re doing it for the money.”</div>
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The couple returned and told me that they had changed their minds and wanted to “keep the baby.” I delivered the baby seven months later. Years later, I played with little Jeffrey in the pool at the tennis club where his parents and I were members. He was happy and beautiful. I was horrified to think that only a technical obstacle had prevented me from terminating Jeffrey’s potential life. The connection between the six-week-old human embryo and a laughing child stopped being an abstraction for me. While hugging my sons each morning, I started to think of the vacuum aspirator that I would use two hours later.”</div>
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Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05329112538511895947noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2759082944977628231.post-45329684604886437212013-07-30T20:18:00.001-07:002013-10-07T16:34:31.739-07:00Vegetarian/Vegan/Animal rights activist pro-choicers<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
There are a few groups for vegans and vegetarians who are pro-life. The facebook group <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/190085434355046/">Vegans Against Abortion</a> and the facebook page <a href="https://www.facebook.com/ProLifeVegetarians">Vegetarian and Pro-Life</a><br />
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One of the things that annoys me the most is how incredibly inconsistent and hypocritical people can be. Take, for example, the vegetarian or vegan animal rights types of people (well in this one instance coming up). I am of course one myself, so it bugs me all the more when you know a lot of them are pro-choice. It is incredibly hypocritical to support the rights of animals (who definitely aren't people) and say that they should have equal rights to us and the right to life and to not have to be hurt or killed or messed with, yet the unborn don't get these rights, especially if they say it's because they "aren't people." Well newsflash, animals you protect against other people denying their rights, usually with the argument as well that they aren't people, OBVIOUSLY AREN'T PEOPLE!!! Yet you say that that doesn't matter of course, because they still deserve rights. Trust me, I believe this as well, so why double back and use the same arguments you have to fight against when it comes to animal rights, while trying to deny the rights of the unborn? The unborn at least are more "persons" than animals are, and science already tells us that they are human beings. This is just one of the many examples of liberals using the same argument they fight against in support of the denying of the rights of the unborn. It astounds me that they don't notice themselves spewing out the same talking points conservatives give on a number of issues. Someone should really go through all the arguments liberal pro-choicers use for their pro-choice stance with those that conservatives use for denying rights to people of different races, women, homosexuals, and whoever else, as well as gun rights, refusing universal healthcare, war, and whatever else you can think of.<br />
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One of the reasons people are the veggie/animal rights types is because they want the innocent to be safe and ok and have rights. If it's not you, you don't get to kill it or hurt it. There is nothing more innocent than the unborn. Even more so than animals.<br />
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Then of course you have these types who also tend to advocate for not killing/chopping down plants and destroying them and the ecosystem as little as possible (the environmentalist/tree-hugger/save the rainforest types, and I am that too of course), and you REALLY can't advocate for that and then turn around and not give a damn about the unborn, especially if you recognize that of course even plants are alive/life yet you think fetuses aren't.<br />
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Then you'll have the pro-choice liberals (pretty much all of the pro-choice liberals) who say "well if they were really so pro-life, they'd be vegetarians, or vegans, or pro-peace" and it's like YES!!! I'm always saying that! Vegans and vegetarians and people who are pro-peace should be pro-life, and vice versa, as those fit together. If I ever bring this up, they tend to shut up because they now realize they have made the point that being pro-life fits in with all these liberal things, without meaning to. It's hypocritical to say "Well if you're really so pro-life" or "Well then you should also be (insert whatever liberal thing) " and then exclude yourself and people who are already liberal from that and be pro-choice, or then say that everyone should be pro-choice. Think about what would happen if pro-lifers did all the things liberals said they should do if they were really so pro-life (and of course I agree that they should be all those things): THEY'D BE LIBERAL!!!! Yes, that's right! You would have successfully turned them liberal and they would now be liberal pro-lifers, who you then would probably say should be pro-choice. You don't care about consistency, you just want everyone to be exactly like you. Everyone knows that this issue is hypocritical on all sides, they just don't want to know it with their own side. I actually always thought that especially vegetarians and vegans should be pro-life, and if you do eat meat, then you aren't as hypocritical and perhaps you get a teensy bit of a pass because you already don't really care about the innocent or animals or rights anyway (no offense meat eaters.)<br />
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I even came across this picture recently, which all the more made me think of how hypocritical pro-choice animal rights activists are. I love that they are doing this for the animals, I do advocate for thinking animals are equal to humans, but they (that is the pro-choice people who think like this) are labeling those who can't be considered human as non-human persons, yet those who can, don't get the right to be called persons? COME ON!!! I really hope whoever made this and all who agree with it realize how hypocritical and stupid it would then be to label the unborn as not persons and dehumanize them or deny their rights. I'll say this again: They are at the very least, more "persons" than animals are.<br />
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